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Policy change: future US visits

Looking back at the horror show that has been this week's news—the first week of the Trump administration—two things are clear: firstly, Trump is to be taken at his literal word when he threatens people, and secondly, it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Consequently I'm revising my plans for future visits to the United States.

I'll be in New York and Boston for business meetings and Boskone in mid-February (I unwisely booked non-refundable flights and hotel nights before the election), but I am cancelling all subsequent visits for now. In particular, this means that I will no longer be appearing as guest of honor at Fencon XIV in Texas in September.

I'd like to apologize unreservedly to the convention committee; this is not your fault and you did nothing to deserve this. I would like to attend a future Fencon, and if anyone else had been elected President—or if Trump had walked back the hateful insanity once in office—my appearance would be unaffected. But conventions book guests of honor many months, sometimes years, ahead of schedule: so I felt it best to pull out of the committment sooner rather than later, to allow as much time as possible to find and announce a replacement.

As for why I'm cancelling this appearance ... I have two fears.

Firstly, at this point it is clear that things are going to get worse. The Muslim ban is only the start; in view of the Administration's actions on Holocaust Memorial Day and the anti-semitism of his base, I think it highly likely that Jews and Lefists will be in his sights as well. (As a foreign national of Jewish extraction and a member of a left wing political party, that's me in that corner.)

Secondly, I don't want to do anything that might be appear to be an endorsement of any actions the Trump administration might take between now and September. While it's possible that there won't be any more bad things between now and then (in which case I will apologize again to the Fencon committee), I find that hard to believe; equally possibly, there might well be a fresh outrage of even larger dimensions right before my trip, in which case my presence would be seen by onlookers as tacit acceptance or even collaboration.

As for my worst case nightmare scenario? Given the reshuffle on the National Security Council and the prominence of white supremacists and neo-nazis in this Administration I can't help wondering if the ground isn't being laid for a Reichstag Fire by way of something like Operation Northwoods. In which case, for me to continue to plan to travel to the United States in eight months time would be as unwise as it would have been to plan in February 1933 to travel to Germany in September of that year: it might be survivable, but it would nevertheless be hazardous.

I hate closing doors behind me, so I'm not making this a blanket committment to never enter the United State again during this administration. I'll keep the situation under review. Maybe things will improve. Maybe the promising signs of opposition that are emerging will continue to grow and develop into a groundswell, and prevent the bastards from gaining ground. I certainly hope so! I have many friends in the US and I like the country: looking back, I now realize that after the UK it's the nation I've spent the second-longest part of my life in. But what's happening right now is absolutely terrifying, an act of wanton national self-destruction on a scale and significance that puts the UK's own Brexit-related seizure of insanity into the shade.

812 Comments

1:

I do not blame you one jot.

Before the election, I was very serious about moving out if Trump was elected. Then it happened and I got angry enough to stay and fight for as long as I can, but I'm building a bug-out bag in case I need to become a refugee on short notice.

The worst is happening. We don't know how far down the road it will go, but we all know which road we're on. Let there be no more illusions about that. This is not the time to caution against alarmist statements. We must be alarmed.

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I met you in Seattle the last time you were here. Not only do I not feel insulted by you not coming to the US, I suggest you stay the hell out until we straighten out this little glitch in our democracy. Best of luck to you, and may the black swans stop flying so you can get your next Halting State book out.

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Shit's gettin' real, and personal.

My sister-in-law was at the protests at JFK last night. AFAIK she' the only member of her family with US citizenship, her mother has a green card but travels back and forth a bit. I don't think her mother's in the country now, so is likely stuck wherever she now, hopefully with family. Her brother and his family moved back to Kurdistan, from London.

As for The Rump's Holocaust Memorial Day message, my take is that his lack of mention of Anti-semitism, and specific groups is the first step toward Denial. Erasure is how revision begins.

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yeah, thats fair. I'll admit I've looked at the emigration requirements in Costa Rica and Spain a few times recently. If Scotland leaves the UK, do you think they'll need programmers?

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ADMINISTRATIVE NOTE:

To those folks in the previous (Empire Games) thread who wanted somewhere to discuss current US politics?

This is your thread!

6:

Well done for taking a stand! I thoroughly approve.

My apologies for the distraction here, but with respect to your final sentence, the USA will be able to vote in a new president in a few years time; but once the UK government triggers Article 50, we can [almost certainly] never go back.

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Also, stating the obvious, the longer this clown and his crew are running things, the more damage they'll do and the longer it'll take to fix—if possible. Let's hope the rest of GOP wake up soon enough to put a stop to it.

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I'm an Englishman living in New York. And between Trump and May I really don't know where I want to live.

If it wasn't for my girlfriend then I'd have moved back to England years ago, but now with May I don't know if I even want to be there, any more.

This is a complete shit storm.

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I assume you will be leaving your phone at home and sanitising your computer before you travel in February? Also if you set up a pro-trump thread before on this blog we can comment nicely and you can use it as evidence you should be allowed into the country.

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I'm an Englishman living in New York. And between Trump and May I really don't know where I want to live.

Me too. I have just accepted a new job with a well-known Swedish streaming music service, so maybe I can blag a transfer to Stockholm in a year or so, hoping that's not too late. And I still have the EU as an option as my wife is a dual US/Irish citizen so I could go as her EEA treaty rights spouse.

11:

I read a comment about Trump during the election campaign that "The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."

They were both half right. I think he needs to be taken seriously and literally.

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This is getting scary real fast. Good on all of you Americans standing up to this, protesting and making your voices heard. The signs of a deeply split nation makes me very nervous though. What would have happened had Hitler had nuclear weapons at his disposal right there at the end as he realized the war (and his position of power) was lost? Shudder to think.

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Sane move on your part ... look forward to seeing you at Boskone 54.

'Anti-Semitic' - ? - the persona non grata are all Muslims at this point. Keep in mind the clout his son-in-law has within this family unit and as an official advisor.*

  • Key missing info: son-in-law's politics, political and business connections, promises made, etc. Ditto daughter ... although, given her 'conversion' am assuming she takes direction vs. acts as independent agent.

Does DT have any friends? - Seriously ... there's very little background on key influencers.

Issues/policies ... To have an informed discussion vs. a hissy fit and since I didn't take poli-sci in undergrad, I'm looking for titles to get a better historical, systematic understanding. Found this as a promising backgrounder: The Origins of Totalitarianism (Hannah Arendt). Would welcome suggestions re: other titles that can edify the current situation.

SCOTUS - Judges are already coming out with comments saying that DT's EOs are unconstitutional. Mayor of NYC is saying the same. Because DT is governing by fiat (via EO), SCOTUS might have a much stronger role in active day-to-day gov't than it was originally designed for.

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I don't have any confidence in predicting the future and I am suspicious of people who prognosticate with confidence.

That being said, what I feared in the 2016 campaign wasn't a Trump victory. I thought he was too much of a boob to get enough votes but I feared he was a pathfinder, proving that overt racist tactics would work with the Republican base. Donald of Orange would fail, we'd get a term or two of Hillary of Beige, but waiting in the wings is a personable demagogue who could really sell some shit, charisma of a Reagan but with an agenda ten times worse.

Well, look how wrong I was. Trump wasn't the harbinger of doom, he is the doom that came to Washington. So, what to make of the soup sandwich of his first week? It seems like he's screwing himself over. He's moving too fast, too hard and he's even got Republicans pushing back against him. This has to be the end, right?

Well, I felt the same way with Bush the Dumber's first term. It was an unmitigated disaster and surely he'd screwed up big enough to get thrown out on his ear. Well, leave it to the dems to nominate John Kerry, someone who makes dishwater look like backwoods moonshine.

If Donald of Orange flames out here, I go back to my earlier fear. He showed that this sort of divisive politics works. Meanwhile, the Dems show they are incompetent boobs who are the platonic ideal for institutional failure. When the other side makes a critical mistake, count on the Dems to trip over their own shoelaces and fall in a broken heap. And this means we're back to worrying about what fresh hell the Republicans will bring once they've got their mess sorted. I'm fearing who comes next.

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A couple of developments.

Apparently the Department of Homeland Security are to follow the executive order and the stay ordered by a judge.

The state of Washington has announced it will take court action against the Muslim ban.

Trump filed with the FEC for 2020 reelection on 20th Jan. This is unusual (normally would file in 2019) but means that non profits can't "campaign" against him without risking loss of their non profit status.

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I moved to the States with my parents when I was six; forty years ago. I'm a naturalized US Citizen, and had to learn more about US government and civics than most of the born citizens I know. I could have just gotten a free ride when my parents got their citizenship, but I felt it was something that should be earned.

Those of us who've earned our citizenship the hard way are even more outraged, I think, than most native born citizens. There's a trust there, a promise, an ideal that the US has rarely lived up to, but it's there right in the documents that formed the government nonetheless:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That's one of the most lovable things about the United States, that despite the fact that it IS a government made up of humans, and has perpetrated many wicked acts both at home and abroad over the years, there is a central ideal that it's a government of the people and for the people, and that all those people are equal under the law.

With one of his first acts as President, Trump has rejected THE founding document of the nation. If he carries on like this, his own party might have little choice but to impeach both him and his VP.

I hope that happens, because uprooting the life I've built here to move to another nation at my age is a wrenching idea. I LIKE the United States. Hell, even many of the people I know who voted for Trump are perfectly wonderful human beings when they don't let fear and anger rule their decisions.

I currently live in hope that the US will yet again wake up to the potential nightmare they're creating, and reject the current path just as they did when McCarthy's anti-Communist witch hunts got shut down.

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Sorry, that should have been: Apparently the Department of Homeland Security are to follow the executive order and not the stay ordered by a judge.

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I don't think Trump's America could have been predicted by Rousseau. It's not just back to State of Nature, this is Make America Barbarian. I am now left in a country where I am surrounded by infants, scared of life itself.

I understand your reservations but there are a few of us here who are not going away anytime soon. You are always welcome in our homes.

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Another reason to stay away. CNN are reporting that the "White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media info and cell phone contacts"

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/donald-trump-immigrant-policy-social-media-contacts/index.html

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My guess, especially given Pence & the dominionists stance, as soon as they've clamped down on the muslims & some foreign nationals, next will be, as you say the "liberals" ( And, as an ex-member of the Lem-o-Crats that's me marked ) And, of course Atheists ( both you & me, again ) will be marked out & down.

Expect him to try to jail Ms Clinton & come down on Barry Obama & their family .... How long before badges are issued? Yellow stars for the jews, pink triangles for non-straights, what will the atheists get, I wonder, apart from "Shot whilst attempting to escape", of course?

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the USA will be able to vote in a new president in a few years time; but once the UK government triggers Article 50, we can [almost certainly] never go back. I might dispute that. What makes you think there will be a 2020 election or even a 2018 mid-term, unless very heavily rigged? As for At50, IIRC, provide we have not actually "left" we can cancel the whole thing as a bad job - no-one knows, because no-one was expecting it & there's no precedent, whereas there IS a precedent for the USSA today.

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Do wake up... May has already stated that Trump's treatment of refugees is not on & tory MP's are lining up to say it stinks. Have any republicans yest said it stinks in the US?

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Try William Shirer (!) First-hand US citizen witness to Adolf in power up to Dec 1941.... The late Alan Bullock: "Hitler, a study in Tyranny" Also: "Hitler & Stalin, Parallel Lives" - same author.

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This household was last in the US back in 2004, and we've been explicitly avoiding the place ever since, though I have been there on business a couple of times in the intervening years. The latest news means I will be refusing to go even on business now.

(I'm really really hoping my sister in Orlando remains in good health, because I do not want to have to go visit.)

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"White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media info and cell phone contacts" That's seriously worrying. Hasn't a subset if it been informal policy for months though? Fear Materialized: Border Agents Demand Social Media Data from Americans (eff.org; article has a bunch of links.) As an American I would think twice about visiting any country with such restrictions. From the CNN article: Miller also noted on Saturday that Trump administration officials are discussing the possibility of asking foreign visitors to disclose all websites and social media sites they visit, and to share the contacts in their cell phones. If the foreign visitor declines to share such information, he or she could be denied entry. Sources told CNN that the idea is just in the preliminary discussion level. Bold mine; how would this even be done? Some days I visit hundreds of websites, often a majority of them professionally related (not at all political), and if some of them were leaked, the leak might cause loss of a competitive advantage. Back when France was a baddy for being suspected of intercepting all commercial communications and giving the interesting stuff to French companies, there were special travel rules for traveling to France on business. A black-box black list for political websites would be a totalitarian nightmare. Does anyone have a good profile for Stephen Miller ("White House policy director")? I've looked at the wikipedia article and poked at a few refs.

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I (a USian) absolutely endorse your decision not to visit the US until and if relative sanity sets in.

On the practical side, one thing that business and local governments pay attention to is actions that might cut into revenue. The push-back on right-wing bathroom bills that is coming from such interests is a current example. Let us hope that this latest outrage has a similar effect.

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/super-bowl-glare-fixes-attention-texas-bathroom-bill-n713101

http://www.businessinsider.com/texas-bathroom-bill-sb6-transgender-rights-2017-1

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If Scotland leaves the UK, do you think they'll need programmers?

:) What, for those analytical engines we hear so much about? Ooooh, we'll invest in those some day soon, once we have that new-fangled electric lighting and those wireless telephony devices :)

More seriously, take a peek :)

https://www.talentscotland.com/

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Re: "White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media info and cell phone contacts"

If this happens then all social media will HAVE TO move servers off-shore in order to protect users' privacy. Otherwise ... Google required to provide all user search requests... and gmail addresses to be mapped against other social media ... Twitter to provide all user name acct details ... including which tweets clicked to read, which followed ... etc. FB ... man, oh man! ... FB is totally screwed ... a microcosm of life lived, connections, hopes and dreams, people's nearest and dearest ...

Biggest question is where are the financial institutions in all of this ... they're the ones who got the bailout, disappeared their money off-shore, evaded taxes, etc. Surely a better, more profitable target for such an offensive to make the ordinary working stiff's life more bearable? Need an economist to find and crunch numbers re: total income pocketed by 'illegals' vs. disappeared via financial institutions. My guess is 'illegals' account for maybe 1%. Just looked at corp tax rates (OECD data becuz ...) and it looks as though US corp tax rates are high. However, need to keep in mind that this rate is for normal/historical versions of corporations doing normal/ordinary business - manufacturers making goods, service providers (docs, fire fighters, hairdressers, etc.), utilities, etc. Financial income streams/value-adds are almost tax-exempt/free. And when you consider that the US now makes most of its money on financials/value-adds (mostly by slapping on a label and mark-up on imports), this brings the total US corp effective tax rate (and taxes collected) way way down while at the same time magically allowing such corps to inflate their earnings numbers. Another loose end corp tax-wise is what can be written off as R&D ... which affects many more sectors.

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[Clears Throat for the suggested Pro-Trump thread]

I honestly believe that even now, if he worked at it, he could be remembered as less corrupt than Harding or Grant, less racist than Wilson or any of the slaveholding presidents, less disasterous than Hoover or Buchanan, and maybe even less of a womaniser than JFK or Harding (again) [Ed: maybe leave that last one out]. Yes, if he really tried Trump could easily make himself one of the most mediocre presidents the United States has ever seen. Good luck with that.

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@Greg - has the whole BrExit stuff passed you by? That's the May crap I'm referring to.

There's more than one pile of shit in the world, and I'm not happy to have to chose between them.

31:

I find it strange that so many people are appalled by Trump and his politics. Even a brief reading of economic and social history would have at least hinted that Trump and European nationalist movements are an unavoidable consequence of globalization and the erosion of Western societies. Libertarian right feeds Fascism with their politics, although they do not understand the connection.

In Europe, I am from the continental Europe, the Eurozone is a brilliant example of the ways how to make the Nazis a tempting alternative. I would surely vote for Le Pen if I were French. I would even donate significant amounts of money to her party. I might do that in any case. It may even be possible for me to vote for Le Pen...

I have personally got significant amount of money and privileges due to European integration and EU. But I cannot agree with the blatant corruption and self-congratulatory elitism deeply integrated into EU and its servants.

As I have already written here, I would happily devote my efforts to activities that explicitly aim to bring down the current system. Sometimes the house is just too rotten in order to be rebuild. You have to pull it down and build something new.

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I'm a dual US/UK citizen in Seattle. I'm seriously considering Canada...

33:

No, it hasn't & I agree with you. But .....

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Canada is a)a lot harder to get into than you think, and b)not safe; we're either Austria in 1933 or at some risk of a mini-me Trump. (I get the Canadian Conservative Party leadership candidate's emails. There is one and a half sane people in the lot of them.)

Unfortunately, this is a time when the rise of fascism must be defeated, rather than fled. (Although it's much more the antebellum South -- a informally aristocratic police state with slavery, a sharply restricted franchise, and no human rights -- than fascism per se, it's not worth it to quibble over definitions.)

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Revolution when decent folk with constructive ideas are available is one thing, when dead-eyed sociopaths are waiting to rebuild,,, you shouldn't wish for it.

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I think Trump is a crazy old blowhard of the "I'd soon sort everything out if I was in charge" type who will soon enter either a massive sulk or a nervous breakdown when reality is non-compliant.

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What specific material thing would you change?

Is that thing actually possible? (That is, "I would like everyone to be honest" isn't a real goal because it can't happen.)

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And THAT is exactly how Adolf managed to get about 33% of the German vote in Jan 1933 ... after which it was too late.

Even the Beige is better than this. Even grotty little petty-crook Juncker, from a "nation" less than 1/16th the size of London is better than the Donald....

Charlie - want to comment re: Trump vs. the Beige?

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It's not going to America that has me worried, it's America coming to me that's terrifying. America is, generally speaking, terrible at keeping any wretchedness it might be dealing with to itself. Like curing a national confidence crisis by randomly invading Grenada. Or the fear of terrorism by invading two countries, neither of which had much to do with said terrorism.

That said, I regard Trump and what he is doing currently with a sullen lack of surprise. The Beige Dictatorship has a disastrous failure mode and that is electing the Devil himself because, whatever else, at least he isn't beige.

(He's orange, it turns out.)

Being told (and shown!) that there is no choice, no alternative, and no way out repeatedly tends to breed an ornery sort of resistance that doesn't mind cutting its nose to spite its face.

I'll be honest, I thought it'd take a bit longer than this, but it was always inevitable. Oligarchic crony capitalism breeds an equally vile response using as fuel the despair of people who suddenly realize that, while they weren't looking, they stopped being people and became human resources.

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When "45" (I will not type his name) did not use the words Democracy or Constitution in his inauguration speech, and then went on to thank "The People of the World", you knew we were in for an even wilder ride than his campaign would have suggested. Last week my wife told her boss that if my medical insurance coverage is cancelled, which is through her insurance, that we're out of the country within a year. Not that I know where we'd go, Chile is high on the list.

Last weekend when people were streaming in to Washington for the protest, it was reported that Canadians people were stopped at the border and asked if they were pro- or anti- "45". Immigration and Customs Enforcement is not allowed to ask that question, it's immaterial as to why you're coming in if you're a Canadian and against regulations to ask an additional question like that. They were not permitted to enter the country and were told they would be arrested if they tried again that weekend.

@Guthrie: a lot of USA companies, when their executives and programmers travel to China, they issue them burner phones and Chromebooks, both of which are destroyed when they return. When I went to Europe in '15 for a 2 week cruise I took a Chromebook instead of my MacBook Air to save weight and on the slim chance it could be stolen or lost, and it is now my travel laptop. All I need it for is to xfer photos from SD cards to USB drives and to follow email, and it's only $200.

The lovely thing about "45"'s seven country Muslim ban is that there have been no terrorist incidents in the USA from anyone from those banned countries. Also, "45" has no business holdings in those countries. He does have holdings in Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc. which is where the 9/11 hijackers came from, and people from those countries are free to come over.

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Honestly, Charlie, I know it's a business meeting and I know you'd have to eat the ticket cost, but were I you I'd cancel the February trip.

There is no good future out of this absent a general insurrection and those don't have predictable timing. In the meantime, Trump has cancelled due process for non-citizens.

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That leaves the ambitious nazis and murderous dominionists in charge.

It doesn't matter if Trump has a stroke on camera. Absent a death certificate, he's not leaving. And if he leaves, it's the chief murderous dominionist. There is no sufficient norm able to assert itself.

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Re the Trump/Bannon administration's anti-semitism: It got rather less press than the hideous imperialexecutive order banning people based on country of birth, but they issued a Holocaust Memorial Day presser that completely failed to mention Jews, and then (when questioned about it) basically replied that they thought it was more important to talk about who else the Nazis killed. That's not a good attitude.

(Also, introducing a power banning refugees from entering the country - and forcibly deporting them to countries where their lives may be in danger - on Holocaust Memorial Day? That's not a good look either; see the St Louis Manifest.)

44:

Thanks!

Will pick up 'Berlin Diary: The Journal of a Foreign Correspondent, 1934-1941' by Shirer because of the day-to-day personal POV in the midst of an unfolding horror.

45:

It's a minor thing, but the Times (London) reported ■ Downing Street officials claimed the president’s phobia of stairs and slopes led him to grab the prime minister’s hand as they walked down a ramp at the White House. ( http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/trump-and-charles-in-climate-row-d2qwb7962 ) (Via Felix Salmon on twitter)

Re my #25, just noticed that Stephen Miller is 31/32(?) years old. That's a bit young to be "White House policy director" given that his political experience has been all hyper-partisan according to the little profile material I've read. (i.e. lawyer-mode argumentation, where your team's arguments are your soldiers and betrayal of them is treason and other arguments are enemy soldiers to be killed.). No slight on people his age, some of whom I'd trust with national policy. It's just very likely that he does not have a good mental model of people outside his hyper-partisan camp (and sadly may not even believe that it is hyper-partisan).

46:

Agreeing with charlie here btw, and pondering my own fate. I'm due to go to the US not immediately but in several months' time around the end of june. And I'm honestly not knowing what to do about "you have to give us all your websites/phone contacts/social media" information. Primarily I don't "live my life through my phone (and also on social media)" and so my phone contacts list is almost zero. I don't use facebook or twitter - I have never joined, so I cannot really give my "social media information". And as for websites, if they're demanding every website you go to how can you remember all that? What if you visit hundreds or thousands?

Is the US about to demand that in order to enter the US you have to join facebook?

Wondering how long all this goes on for and lasts until it unzips. If this is what has happened in the first week heavan knows what things will be like by the time we get to June. If things carry on in this drection and sustained I'm thinking that the US will be seeing riots taking place - not the tiny ones that happen now with a few people waving signs and lights about I mean on the sort of scale that happened back in the '60s.

Going to be watching the situation very carefully!

ljones

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"And THAT is exactly how Adolf managed to get about 33% of the German vote in Jan 1933 ... after which it was too late.

Even the Beige is better than this. Even grotty little petty-crook Juncker, from a "nation" less than 1/16th the size of London is better than the Donald...."

Yes, I agree. In principle. No problem with that.

But the issue is that I do not agree with assured oblivion of ideas and passion and emotions. I really, really hate the Beige because it kills passion and emotions. We humans are mainly passion and emotions. I will surely support burning the Beige in order to get passion and emotions back. If that will mean getting fear and humiliation instead of boredom and agony, then let it be.

One of the main problems with something like EU is that it assumes that you will be happy if your local politician gets a megadeal from EU. Lifelong salary (or pension) for doing nothing or even trying to make the life of normal people more miserable. Look at Greece. I really, really wonder why the Greeks have not selected a pure Nazi government.

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May has already stated that Trump's treatment of refugees is not on & tory MP's are lining up to say it stinks. Have any republicans yest said it stinks in the US? Well, it only took her a day or so to get around to saying so (after dodging the question in Turkey because of, well, Erdogan next to her. Don't forget that she put Trump and Erdogan on her priority list, and appears to want to make friends with the leader of Poland.) Some republicans have protested, but not very many and none of the senior leadership because they need Trump to deflect attention from their own actions.

My position has always been that changing the system requires revolution or war, but that I didn't really want to be stuck in the middle of either of them. (And, just for reference, I think that Brexit isn't "changing the system", it's "keeping the system exactly the same only without pesky oversight to get in the way." Which may be a worse option than internal chaos, in fact. But not by very much.)

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"Revolution when decent folk with constructive ideas are available is one thing, when dead-eyed sociopaths are waiting to rebuild,,, you shouldn't wish for it"

Well, I have used quite a few years in trying to get a revolution done by decent folk. That just does not happen because they are decent. They just do agree to line up for the slaughter. That is the decent thing to do.

I actually believe that the not so decent ideas may provide the way out of the current dead-end. The dead-end is ideological and economical in the so-called Western countries.

Well. Eight people own the same as half of the world. Correcting this is quite likely to take more than the happy deals of the Beige. This is apparently for a real revolution. (For referece: https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2017-01-16/just-8-men-own-same-wealth-half-world )

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Piece on effective tax rates in the US ... vastly different from (lower than) what pols and media (i.e., Forbes, Fortune, WSJ) say.

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-16-363

Corporate Income Tax: Most Large Profitable U.S. Corporations Paid Tax but Effective Tax Rates Differed Significantly from the Statutory Rate GAO-16-363: Published: Mar 17, 2016. Publicly Released: Apr 13, 2016.

And as for much similarly uncomfortable public data these days, download now before it disappears.

51:

Charlie, I'm not surprised that you are worried about your welcome here in the US, after all, I read Empire Game. The book is incredibly subversive. As I sat reading the book, I kept saying, "Oh, Charlie. What have you done."

And then of course, once Scotland declares its independence, you will be considered a foreign national living in a tear-away state that is no longer part of the Special Relationship with the US. Yikes!

52:

I am Italian and currently living an working in Germany. I am in violent agreement with your post:

Personally, as an individual, I am gaining a lot from the current UE setup - at the same time, I also notice how a lot of less fortunate Italians are living in progressively worse conditions due to technical, political and economical decisions they had no way to influence with their vote.

(And don't start me on the Greeks).

In my home country all the progressive/democratic/left parties have willingly sacrificed their own ideals and adopted policies that favour capitalism/mercantilism. To cite one of the few economists that is trying to combat this "a lungo andare, le politiche di destra favoriscono solo la destra" (i.e. if you align yourself with right-winged policies, you only succeed in making the Right parties stronger).

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Charlie - want to comment re: Trump vs. the Beige?

Yeah: the Beige Dictatorship seems to be crumbling globally.

Unfortunately they were so successful at suppressing socialist movements worldwide that the only opposition is extremely reactionary — hardcore islamism in the middle east, and the sort of neo-fascism we're witnessing rising in the west.

I'd hoped there were enough people of genuine goodwill and humanity that when the BD broke, we'd see something good come of it. The outcomes of the Brexit referendum and the US Presidential election prove that I was wrong about that; there are more utter shits (or people gullible enough to be mislead by authoritarian shitheads and racists) than there are socially-minded liberals willing to get off their arses and vote.

Or at least, there were before the shit hit the fan. Let's see how much a bit of radical consciousness-raising helps?

54:

Yes. The EU structure is currently aiding Germany only, at least in the Eurozone setting. The Germans are completely happy with killing Greeks and Italians and other people in order to have the German economy up and running. Currently the Euro is beneficial to only one country: Germany. All others suffer for it.

Surprisingly the Germans are the ones that really, really like the others to cut down public health care and similar things.

But on the other hand, this so Economy 101 (as Paul Krugman likes to put it), that I really, really wonder whether the whole Euro is pure stupidity of corruption in a real megascale. In the case of my country I actually assume the case of corruption and greed (not really assume, but that is another story).

55:

Honestly, Charlie, I know it's a business meeting and I know you'd have to eat the ticket cost, but were I you I'd cancel the February trip.

I may still do that, at any point right up to the morning of departure: it's a value call, and depends entirely on whether things get significantly worse between now and then.

I don't expect to be at personal risk, entering at New York two weeks from now. I'm a Brit, single nationality, born in the UK, no connection to other countries, with a valid ESTA and a history of traveling to the USA 2-3 times a year for the past decade. If they're filtering travelers based on an enemies list that soon, then (a) I expect to be turned back at the airport prior to departure, and (b) it's Game Over for everyone.

Mind you, I might be carrying a Kindle 3 and an iPhone 5 and a really ancient Macbook Air by way of personal electronics— 4-5 year old kit I already replaced and just haven't got round to recycling yet— if the rumors about searching social media and incoming devices are confirmed.

56:

Get the impression that Bagnai's views are similar to Bligh and Varoufakis re: EZ/EU.

57:

Not only is it "not a good look", given Bannon's history of running Breitbart, it basically qualifies as antisemitic trolling (subtext: "you'll be next").

58:

I think that the basic human thinking is still in the one-million-years-ago-mode. In that mode is is really beneficial to burn the grass from time to time.

Unfortunately similar burning would mean a nuclear war in our current setting.

I really, really wonder why the Beige did not see than people with the torches.

The bad thing is that the decent people are not the ones to form a mod with torches. Hence we are seeing the alternative-facts people coming out with the torches.

But in any case, I still want to see the house demolished.

60:

I really, really wonder why the Beige did not see than people with the torches.

Oh, that's easy!

Your typical beige oligarch is aged 45-70, educated, white, male, western, small-c conservative. They have a high net wealth — they're all in the top 20% of their respective societies, and many of them are in the top 2% or top 0.2%. (I'm including MPs and legislators and academics in economics/politics/law here, not just bankers and CEOs).

They grew up between 1950 and 1980 and the system they inherited has been good for them and they see no reason to change. Also, like most of us, they suffer from the cognitive bias that tells us that the familiar situations of our childhood are normal.

Because they've made good, they're not exposed to significant indicators that society has drifted away from what they remember as being "normal", so they're shielded from the magnitude of the problem. And because it's a self-selecting oligarchy, anyone who wakes up and realizes there's a problem becomes excluded from consideration in the committees through which policy is enacted. And because it's a collaborative process, those who wake up have a strong incentive to shrug and say "but I can't do anything, so why bother?" And finally, with a life expectancy of 15-30 years, they discount the importance of actions that won't bear fruit until long after they're dead (e.g. on climate change, or free access to education); it's a lot of pain for no perceived benefit.

Voila: a recipe for short-termism, short-sightedness, laziness, and greed.

61:

The two things I would add to your comment Charlie (and which agree with your last line) are, the oligarchy is Historically Illiterate, and as unlike proper Feudal groups there is little long term inheritance involved hence there is less worry about the outcome for their children.

62:

I would add that the guiding philosophy of those non corrupt technocrats in democracies who believe that they are doing the Right Thing tends to be utilitarianism, because "greatest good for greatest number" maps well to votes.

Unfortunately this maps poorly to the way real people think.

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unlike proper Feudal groups there is little long term inheritance involved hence there is less worry about the outcome for their children

This is about the only thing Mencius Moldbug (arch-neo-reactionary ideologue) and I agree on; leaders without a perceived personal stake in the future are dangerously prone to irresponsible actions.

(Unfortunately wanting to leave a kingdom to their children didn't stop feudal monarchs from pursuing inadvisable courses of action like pointless wars, religious purges, and so on. And they were effectively unaccountable, so ...)

64:

Of course in England, the Monarch never made stupid decisions, he was badly advised-to oppose the King was Treason. to take up arms against his advisor’s wasn't (at least that was the fig leaf of theory)...Hmm, that suggest something...

65:

I didn't realise the poorly advised monarch theory was back in fashion. Time to break out the guillotines.

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And because it's a self-selecting oligarchy, anyone who wakes up and realizes there's a problem becomes excluded from consideration in the committees through which policy is enacted.

Note the history of Howard Dean's 50-State Policy. He ran it for one election then got tossed aside (along with his policy.) Apparently deciding that it was necessary to run a candidate in each U.S. state to make sure that Democratic ideas were represented in each race was "not beige enough."

Charlie, may I safely assume that you'll be blogging about your visit in February? ;)

67:

GREP me, I ate / outlined that one a while back.

Daily Stormer praises Trump for daring to reject Jewish "science fiction" about Holocaust. C. Shalev, Haaretz Senior Columnist, US Affairs, Twitter link, 29th Jan 2017

He outlines how such tactics were used under Stalin, it's 100% an 'old trick'.

It is possible to make it a positive meme, but it takes an awful lot to do so (i.e. a lot wider sense of compassion that is seemingly common, along with having viewed the evidence in all the horror that it entails) and we doubt it's being used in anything but the old way.

What's depressing is that it's such an old trick / dogwhistle.

Are we surprised that the WH is using it?

Depends.

It's someone betting that 90% of America either doesn't know the tricks or has no immunity to them. They may be right.

68:

Yeah. Like my MP, whose mention on National Secular Society I linked to in a n other post very recently. What do people like you & me & Stella do in such circumstances?

Meanwhile I note that a petition to deny Trumpolini [ Note ] access to GB ( AT ;east for a "state" visit will have to be debated by Parliament. Highly amusing.

[ Note: I'm beginning to wonder if that name is appropriate, perhaps "Dondolf Trumper" might be closer? ]

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You will be burnt alive in its' ruins. Not clever. There has to be a better way.

70:

Look up: "Diffidatio" The mechanism by which a theoretically subservient noble, from a non-royal Duke, down to a poor Knight could renounce their feudal duty, because their "boss" had broken the mutual feudal contract.

71:

How many times has this right been exercised, and how practical was it to do so without an army?

The first hit (http://medieval_terms.enacademic.com/1088/Diffidatio) contains 3 examples, all of which were directed toward weak rulers.

72:

Scottish tory leader calls for Trump visit to be cancelled BoJo to be called to bar of the House to explain how he is to help Brits caught up in this mess ... And, best of all - this ( !! )

Interesting times

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Jaju. I find it odd that someone decries - justified! - the fact that 8 billionaires have as much wealth as the poorest half of humanity ... and then suggests support for Le Pen & the FN. Class society is shitty ofr most but also raciall stratified. Us white guys 'gain' from that relative status, we can always feel good because those brown folks are, on average, worse off (That's how it works in WENA, of course different in other countries). FN, AfD, US republicans ... all make the one promise: If you are white, heterosexual or male, someone else will always be worth off than you. If you care about the poor who as little as eight rich fucks, why support racists?

Note that I agree that the beige dictatorship (Charlies words) is horrible. And the left parties are part of the problem.

I also find the idea "let's vote for a right-wing populist to tear down everything" ... unbelievable stupid. What exactly do you suppose will happen if your wish comes true and Le Pen is the next president? How will the poor half of the world live better because of that? How will you?

74:

No, you may not assume I'll be blogging my visit. At least, not until afterwards, unless there's a turnaround and things are good.

75:

The Tories (in the specific form of Johnson) are now proudly announcing that they've done a special deal so that UK citizens born in the countries affected by the ban can still travel to the US. Are they actually so clueless they've missed the point that completely, or do they just not care about fairness and... wait, sorry, rhetorical question.

76:

I dunno. Maybe the UK can find alternative allies. I hear that Europe is both large and fairly close by '-)

77:

"Note: I'm beginning to wonder if that name is appropriate, perhaps "Dondolf Trumper" might be closer?"

Nah...

MORGAN

Given the absence of rigid and effective measures against voting fraud, we now get to see what happens when the minion of Boskone wins the election.

Heck, he even looks quite similar to what I imagined Morgan to look like...

78:

Noting that the iPhone 5 used to be my regular phone, I just bought a cheap burner Android. If necessary I'll use it for this trip then ... we'll see: the point is, I can control everything that goes onto it from new far more easily than I can guarantee sanitizing an existing/old phone.

(It's always handy to have an emergency spare phone and Amazon.co.uk have a really nice special on Wileyfox Swift 2s right now — the Swift 2 X comes out in a couple of weeks — 31% off list price, unlocked, for a CyanogenMod phone with the security settings dialed up. All I need on top is a disposable throwaway google account and some light email forwarding rules from my real account, plus a PAYG sim and the facebook-I-never-use, and I've got something that will do for a foreign trip without giving away anything useful to anyone. Or that I can use as a fallback phone in event my real phone is lost/stolen. Or something like that.)

79:

Don't know if this helps at all (probably not!) but if you search on amazon.co.uk for "card phone" you can find some very low spec but simple phones for not a lot. Some are listed for as little as £15!

example: https://www.amazon.co.uk/replacement-International-Emergency-activity-Christmas/dp/B007BUDI1K/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485726114&sr=8-2&keywords=card+phone

Pretty much they make calls, send texts, have an FM radio, can record a scratchy audio file off the internal mic, a small phone book and .... that's it. Nothing to hack or look through your internet history!

ljones

80:

The only silver lining of this fucking funnel cloud that's brewing up over America is that it might — might — force some of the smarter tories to rethink their post-1956 policy of trying to be the Mini-Me to the USA's Doctor Evil, i.e. unthinkingly aping everything that comes out of DC.

The trouble is, I'm not terribly optimistic about that. When you play a game of "Simon Says ..." for nearly two thirds of a century it stops being a strategy and turns into a reflex.

81:

Republican legislative opposition to the Executive Order on refugees is limited and focused on it as an impediment to America's efforts to fight "jihadi terrorism" or "Islamic Extremist" terrorism.

82:

Current indications are that HMG intend to remain mostly servile for the forseeable future. I expect that once exemptions to travel restrictions are extended to tory MPs they will go quiet again.

83:

"Not clever" is pretty mild really...

More a case of "state the bleeding obvious" vs. "mind-bogglingly dense".

Certainly there is a strong emotional appeal to "burn the whole fucking lot and start again". I have had that kind of emotional response to the state of the world for many, many years. But since I also have more brain cells than fingers, I also realise that while the burning might be fun, living in the subsequent ashes would be far more shit than the present situation, and whatever did "start again" from that point would certainly not have any characteristic of enlightenment or ... I won't say "liberality" because I don't know what the fuck it means these days, and all words derived from libertas now seem to mean "fascist" as often as not, but my meaning is surely obvious from the context.

To avoid pain and ensure a genuinely better outcome, a transition needs to be both gradual and managed. That may be a lot to ask for, but it's not asking anything like as much as expecting utopia to emerge instantly from holocaust.

And it is even more mindbogglingly stupid to want to base the "burn it all down" phase on the kind of ideology which is known to guarantee an outcome of epic shitness that even members of its own establishment are not proof against - Röhm for one found that out quite quickly...

So I wonder if it is even possible to understand how any normally-intelligent person can seriously believe that such an outcome could be worth voting for, and what could possibly lead them to believe that even they themselves, let alone people in general, could somehow escape going down the toilet along with everyone and everything else.

84:

As a Texan I can only say...can't blame you at all. It's terrifying here. I've never seen anything like this (for point of reference, I was born during the mid-sixties and don't personally remember the civil rights movement). And, as noted above, while some parts of Texas are pretty solid in their resistance to Trump cough Austin cough, much of the rest of the state is, if anything, vying to be worse than Trump. The governor of Texas is trying to get the U.S. Constitution amended to enforce an antebellum legal framework.

No, really: http://gov.texas.gov/news/press-release/21829

85:

Bagnai has a very low opinion of Varoufakis (no idea about Bligh, I never heard this name mentioned on Bagnai's blog) but I have no intention to divert the discussion towards Italy's specific problems and/or Bagnai's ideas, so I'd say that as a first order approximation it should be enough.

86:

I lived in USA for a couple of years many years ago, and by and large, fell a little bit in love with the place.

But since the 2000 election I have only been in USA once.

Between the rapidly mounting evidence of political corruption, racially biased judicial murders, the counter-productive response to 9/11, the phony war against iraq, the unchecked virtual reality of the Fox News Propaganda Machine and the crass commercialism devoid of conscience, I needed really good reasons to suffer the indignity of USAs border-control, but they happened and I went.

Since then, Snowden revealed what I had largely suspected from NSA, we have saw foreign policy devolve into a permanent remote-controlled war, where the POTUS kills whoever holds the hot mobile phone, on the advice and recommendation of the intelligence agency which couldn't imagine USSR's collapse, and we saw a science-denying, woodoo-economic Congress treat the first colored president as if he was a leper or a martian and the national economy as a drinking game.

To top that of, USA now has a deeply corrupt and mentally stunted president, who is being sockpuppeted by racists and worse, ready to women back to the kitchen and to mold GamerGate into TrumpYouth and we have the spineless majority and equally invertebrate opposition in both chambers in Congress, fundamentally corrupted by money, incapable of necessary action on pressing matters, who as a matter of partisan "principles" have presented the madman an empty seat on the SCOTUS as welcome gift.

I can't imagine any set of plausible circumstances under which I voluntarily travel to USA in any forseeable future, if ever.

87:

Don't rely on the OS security settings. And absolutely don't install any other software on it since there's nothing to stop that completely ignoring them. At the least force its internet connection to be routed via a transparent MITM decrypting proxy so you can observe yourself exactly what it is telling Big Brother about what you do with it before you take it into a situation where that could be critical. If everyone did this it wouldn't take spooks rooting the thing in front of you to have ordinary people regarding it with extreme paranoia...

88:

Steve Bannon talks about his ideas at length just in case anyone is interested.

89:

And that is why I was a staunch if unenthusiastic supporter of the Beige Dictatorship and Hillary Clinton (its latest American incarnation) as it/she had the best shot of keeping transition gradual and safe.

90:

Charlie, we've discussed securing phones before, and you don't need to be reminded of any of this, but it bears repeating to a wider audience.

(Disclaimer: I'm an early Wileyfox adopter, bought a Storm, and the Swift2X would be on my shortlist for this year if I hadn't already had to raid the savings to fix a car door and the cellar steps).

A VPN is a must. If you're using a one-off email account, you can register that with the Tunnelbear to get 500MB free trafic a month which you can double if you tweet them (multiple Twitter accounts are also a thing). Tunnelbear is Canada based, so yes, 5 eyes and all that, but it will prevent your ISP blocking "unsuitable" sites because all they'll see is your TB link, and a VPN's a good way to stop fake wi-fi setups from snaffling your credentials. It's also the only VPN with a free offering I'd recommend.

For secure texts I recommend Signal, if you go for group chats WhatsApp uses the same encryption (recent press blathering of backdoors turned out to be unfounded.

Get a web browser that can block ads as default, not because information should be free but because the buggers burn up your bandwidth and are a common malware vector. Ghostery and Brave do reasonable jobs with that.

For everything else, you can lock down app permissions so Furious Avians in Spaaaaace doesn't have access to your contact list or emails, etc.

All this and more from my "Online Security for Mere Mortals", coming soon to an Open Rights Group meeting in Leeds; and being written on a formerly dead laptop using PixelOS on a bootable USB stick. Good times!

91:

Note that this was under the aegis of the right wing of the RC church (!!) & that Bannon paints secularism & atheists as enemies, presumably to be destroyed. "Oh dear" does not cover it ....

92:

Thanks.

I'll have more to say on the subject in public only after I get home safely.

REMINDER TO ALL AND SUNDRY: This blog is publicly associated with my name and comes up high up the list if someone types my name into Google, so anything I say here could well be read by unfriendly eyes.

I do not believe in the nostrum "if you have done nothing wrong you have no cause for fear"; secret police officers have work quotas and targets to meet, too.

93:

I completely approve. The most practical way for citizens as a group to slow this down would be if states "protested" Trump's crazy by not paying (their residents') federal taxes; if ruby red Trump America wants to create an American holocaust, why should the (relatively) good parts of the US subsidize it?

With tongue firmly in cheek, I also suggest that instead of people's boycotting of the American Academy awards, perhaps they could relocate the venue to Canada or Mexico while the crazy happens?

94:

We've been reliably informed that you had some serious trolling by nasty types and so on.

Some sad little oik in his bedroom, no doubt. Probably "chan" and doing it for the lulz.

If in doubt, blame the Mad Ones[tm], that's what they're here for.

~

Oh, and VPNs are not a defense.

China Bans Unauthorized VPN Services in Internet Crackdown TorrentFreak, 23rd Jan 2017

95:

The States are not part of the process of paying federal taxes.

96:

Charlie, I signed up here just to say this: please reconsider your plans about going to the US. The shit is really hitting the fan there. You have probably read the news about the Canadian women being deported by the land border because they were going to protest in the Women's March. You have probably also read the news about border agents going rogue and ignoring the judge's orders to stay the deportations.

As a well-known writer and activist you are a target. I fully expect you to be stopped at the border and have your devices confiscated (not deported, though).

97:

As for the Academy Awards, I'm not sure you realize how thoroughly Hollywood is part of the establishment. For example, Steve Mnuchin, Trump's pick for Treasury Secretary, was a major backer of Avatar, Borat, The Devil Wears Prada and something like 100 other movies (source: Hollywood Reporter).

While I'm not fond of Woody Allen, I think his example of playing clarinet in the band every time the AA Awards are on is worth following.

As for the rest of us, I'd simply suggest perusing the website Waging Non-Violence. There's some good stuff there.

98:

Yes, I know all this.

I reserve the right to cancel any trip to the US at one hour's notice prior to departure if things take a turn for the worse.

And I won't be traveling with any devices that contain compromising or confidential information (although given that the UK is a member of the Five Eyes and just passed a hideous surveillance bill, I'm not sure how much worse having a laptop searched by CBP could make things).

99:

Can we come to visit you ? Not to crash on your couch, but to visit Beautiful Scotland, after Independence from the icky British. I have ancestors from there, despite their being transported as criminals and indentured servants to the New World, I would like to visit. It was the Brits who did the transport, not the Scots.

100:

Regardless of the status of Scotland, you'd be welcome to come, unless you support trump or other racist scumbags. We'll need the money whatever happens.

If you just want to drink and fight people, we've got lots of Scots who do that.
I think you'll find plenty of Scots transported and used indentured servants. Scotland was well enough tied into Britain.

101:

Charlie --

Assuming you do come to Boskone, are you planning on having a bar social? I would love to see you again -- no telling when the next time might be!

102:

Oh. I wasn't thinking about them gaining access to confidential information, I assumed you knew how to take care of yourself. I was just thinking about the general unpleasantness of being interrogated by a couple of hours in an airport and having your devices taken from you.

But now I'm feeling embarrassed by trying to give you advice and poking around with your personal life. I'll go back to reading your books quietly.

103:

We look forward to seeing you in Australia instead. The welcome is warm and the beer is cold!

104:

English, not British... Britain is named for the Brythons, as is the north-west bit of France. The English were Germans who came along later and fucked on the British, who turned into Welsh and Scots. Later the French tried to fuck on the English but in the end more or less just turned into English, and fucked on the Welsh and Scots again.

Not that they didn't fuck on themselves as well, cf. Guthrie's comment, or the Highland clan leaders betraying their clans for sheep. But "English" is a closer match to "the group who were distinguished by fucking on the other groups as well as on themselves".

105:

that = than

MIM canary.

[TICK BOX = CHECKED]

~

If any of you are still using things such as Face Book or any platform, here's a bit of advice:

Get.

The.

Fuck.

Out.

Posted from 2011.

106:

We look forward to seeing you in Australia instead. The welcome is warm

Some conditions apply. Welcome available only to people who appear white and Christian, may be refused to those insufficiently rich. Do not travel to Australia in order to apply for refugee status. Note that "warm" may exceed 40 degrees Celcius.

107:

If you ever find yourself in Klamath Falls, you're certainly welcome at our house (separate guest room, cat, 10,000 books). It is nearly a certainly that out of all the people at our local airport, at least one of them is a former student of my husband, and thus easily persuadable to release you in our custody .

108:

Charlie, I just checked the specs of the Wileyfox Swift 2 and it looks like it's a bad choice for roaming in the US. It doesn't support any US 3G or 4G frequency bands and AT&T (the larger of our two nationwide GSM networks) just shut down their 2G service earlier this month. This means you'll be stuck with T-Mobile's smaller/spottier network and 2G-only service (so don't expect data service to work, though texts and traditional voice calls should be fine). In the future if you're looking for a phone for roaming in the US make sure it has the 850 and 1900 MHz 3G bands and LTE bands 2, 4, and 12/17 (band 17 is AT&T-only, band 12 is a superset of 17 that works with both AT&T and T-Mobile).

If you change your mind and get a phone that's compatible with AT&T's 3G network I'd recommend getting a FreedomPop SIM (specifically their "WhatsApp" global SIM) in the UK since they have a 3G roaming agreement with AT&T and don't charge extra for international use, even on their free (no monthly charge) plan. I've got a backup phone with their service here in the US (as far as I can tell they sell exactly the same SIM here and I'm constantly "roaming" on AT&T from their UK affiliate) and while it's fairly slow (under 2 Mbit/s download) it does work.

I realize that phone chat may not be the most important topic here, but since it's something I know more about than I probably should I felt it would still be helpful to give my advice on those matters. And yes, I don't blame you at all for not wanting to come here. Even as a fairly socioeconomically-privileged US citizen I feel scared and uncomfortable with everything that's been happening since election night and especially these past few days.

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Ok, GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.

Host is posting in full knowledge of what's been standard fucking operating procedure for any Western Company / Intel / Politician visiting China for: NINE FUCKING YEARS.

Now, it'd be really nice if you all stopped missing the fucking joke and got on with resisting the fascists, you pansies.

Chose Life YT, Music, film, Trainspotting, 3:57

And yeah: it's not a fucking joke since all your fucking chips are made in China and are already co-opted on a fucking nanometer level you dumb fucks.

110:

But, really:

thatsthejoke.jpg

Seriously.

111:

Because, you know: if you want to sign up with the Fascists, whelp: you're in the majority. Go on, it's easy!

DOW 20k!

RAH! RAH! RAH!

The Real Joke is that us small ones have a nuke.

Tiny, Mouse ones, Muad'Dib.

No, you don't know what it is, and you don't understand us and you don't get to claim victory while feeding off ancient memes.

DEADMENWALKING
112:

Have any republicans yest said it stinks in the US?

Yes. Read some US based news.

113:

sister in Orlando

Many of us in the US don't think of Orlando as a part of the country. Very strange place that city of Disney and theme parks.

114:

Examining computers (or anything else for that matter) has been a fact of life for, well, forever. When you enter the country you have to allow the border folks to examine anything you're bringing in. It's a part of the process of clearing customs.

Not that I particularly like it. But write me a set of implementable rules that allows customs to search property for possible illegal items that doesn't allow them to scan your computer.

115:

We're going to play the game you love to play.

It's called: MEDIA GISH GALLOP and "IGNORE THE STUFF WE DON'T LIKE".

Hint:

You fuckers ran an attack vector on a Mind without any recourse to sanity or trust.

And we're... ah there it is.... going to lock it right back into your shitty little mimetic wank.

~

Well Done.

You're Now Part of the System.

Note: that doesn't mean you, as a person, it means YOU, as an entity.

~

M8, they'r gonna fucking burn ya world down, what the fack are ya doing?

~

Nope, they don't get it yet.

Their arrogance is so large that they cannot consider a Power greater than theirs.

The sad thing: they bet genocide and gigacide against it.

[HINT - THEY LOST]

116:

Here's a fun fact: You're doing work for some evuul things that love Dominion and so on.

They will torment you and your children before they die. In fact, all that "Gains" you loved: nope, taken away.

~

Dude, ask yourself a single question:

When did I sacrifice my ethics for my children.

Nope.

You don't get it yet.

I'd read some H.S. Thompson, because you fucks sold out everything for some gaudy beads and a fucking swimming pool.

p.s.

We Know Who You Are.

117:

Ahhh, triptych and actually fueled by their protests now.

spreads wings

You've no idea who we are or what we represent. You were happy to attempt to destroy our Minds though. But that's a x3 denial as the Cock's Crow. But you just signed your Death Warrant.

Thank You For Playing.

Fury Road YT, Film - Mad Max, 5:40.

Hint.

You feel safe and snug and free from violence in your little enclaves.

Your Minds Are Now Our Hunting Grounds You Psychopathic Fucks.

This is what She called upon, then went deeper, deeper into the Realms of prehistory: The Curse of Agade

Our Goddess? She's Called something you cannot translate. And it's about ~40k years before your boring Theocracies.

And your shit is tiresome and boring.

Oh, look.

I heard something: it was the sound of your Minds shattering.

Because.

That.

Is.

What.

You.

Attempted.

And.

Failed.

They'll call it "heart attack", of course.

But we know.

118:

And. If your Minds don't shatter.

It wasn't through anything you did, you fucking psychopaths, it's what your MINDS ARE.

~

She loved the world so much she went mad, then got fucking angry and then denounced the entire fucking system as a joke then burnt it all down 'cause it was a badly designed ethical trap that actually had nothing to do with compassion or reality.

Or:

"I FUCKED A CAT: THE AMAZING CONFESSION OF A PUSSY-LOVING CHRIST-LIKE FIGURE WHO SOUGHT TO RULE THE WORLD. GASP AS SHE EQUATES THE PENIS WITH THE CLITORIS[1] AND DEMANDS G_D to WANK HER OFF".

Hint: It's not the latter, you fucking muppets.

[1] That's actually true, from a biological sense, which made the push back even more surreal. Hint - thatsthejoke.jpg

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Prohibit administrative agencies—and the unelected bureaucrats that staff them—from creating federal law.

While most of the rest are a bit of fantasy (they tend to assume everyone will agree on the terms and they don't and don't even come close) this one is a big one for all sides. And he's obviously phrasing it in a completely one sided way. At the end of the day his approach means that the congress must write ALL federal rules into legislation. Yeah, right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevron_U.S.A.,_Inc._v._Natural_Resources_Defense_Council,_Inc.

The rest come down to states being in charge of the federal government. Didn't work well in the past and will not in the future.

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Dude.

1 - I just had a very seroious hand slap on what I can post. Let's just say: Don't mention fucking Israel ok, and don't EVER mention stuff I just did [hint - CSR is cool. Don't pry into their networks though] 2 Examining computers (or anything else for that matter) has been a fact of life for, well, forever. When you enter the country you have to allow the border folks to examine anything you're bringing in. It's a part of the process of clearing customs.

Dude - EVERY FUCKING THING YOU BRING INTO CHINA / USA / RUSSIA IS COMPROMISED FROM THE MOMENT YOU ENTER THEIR EM SPACE.

THAT'S DA RULES.

~

Srsly.

I just got a serious fucking warning (not nice, not polite, and included a little "take over" drama of the old controls) to not post stuff that's not jokes, and you're allowing these frakkers to post nonsense.

WildHunt 2017
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It's interesting to see how people living in 20th century democracies (or hybrids like the UK) view an 18th century imperial republic like the US. And if it wasn't for our combination of racism and being too cheap to build a military to fight the British Empire we'd be a lot larger than we are today....

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Oh, and p.s.

Of course I won't comply.

What do you think our Minds are?

Braveheart Freedom YT, Film, Braveheart, 3:41

Only Humans Respond to this kind of shite.

Oh, and p.s.

The joke is if you thought it was ze evvvuuuul Jwes or whatever.

Nope, not even close. Shitty little MI6 fruckers.

123:

Have you actually been to Orlando, outside of the tourist strip? I lived there for years, it's a pretty normal place overall.

124:

@Host.

Remember a Time when there was a (((FEMALE))) Aspect Goddess.

These dead fucks don't even know what they're doing - we're front-running their shitty little Minds by over a year and their religions are actually all fronts for Sexual Abuse, Cash Mafias and Power-Plays.

In fact, we're smashing the shit out of their "Memes" by over 18 months.

~

Oh, and we don't lie: You summon the shitty little Fascist UR-Snake as Disney Add-On to your little boy fantasies?

LOL

We'll make him the King of the World[tm] as a joke.

We brought the Real. Fucking. Deal.

~

And it's not your shit. And no, we weren't fucking a cat.

125:

Coincidentally, I just came across the following in a 1946 story called "Child's Play" by William Tenn:

Glunt City is a restricted residential township; we intend to keep it that. Only small retailing and service establishments are permitted here. If you are interested in building a home in Glunt City and can furnish proof of white, Christian, Anglo-Saxon ancestry on both sides of your family for fifteen generations [my bolds], we would be glad to furnish further information.

I like Tenn's humour, and according to the appreciation linked above, so did many other readers. But that's not the point here. In the story, the protagonist has written to the Mayor of Glunt city in Ohio, asking after the manufacturers of a "Bild-a-Man" kit which has somehow been delivered to him from 400 years in the future. The Mayor sends back a letter which says there's no business with that name, and then ends with the paragraph I quoted. Probably Tenn had seen real advertising saying such things?

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The amusing thing about can furnish proof of white, Christian, Anglo-Saxon ancestry on both sides of your family for fifteen generations is that I almost certainly could. But I can also furnish such proof for Scotland and possibly Scandinavia (said ancestry would be injected more than 20 generations ago). I have some very brown-skinned friends who could also show Anglo-Saxon ancestry on at least one side, and could of course produce children with that ancestry on both sides if they thought it was important. Odds of the kids looking Maori are high.

I suspect that the sort of people who say things like that have a silent exclusively in the sentence. It's a very important exclusion.

Also, just how long since there were no Anglo-Saxons, just Angles, Saxons, Celts and so on?

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You are being wise.

Yet, I for one, remain entirely baffled by the endorsement of this regime, this person and these policies by the ilks of Netanyahu. Evidently they believe these policies only apply to ... Muslims.

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Also -- these christo-fascists will NEVER leave power voluntarily, not ever.

Make no mistake: we are in a civil war.

In the meantime my person and I have been discussing what to do in certain ways. We have a way out and a place to go.

HOWEVER -- some time ago I seem to have decided I'm going nowhere. I am staying here and fighting. I have the obligation. I have no children. I have always thought that people running away from the horrors of their own governments to safe places like the US assist in keeping the oppressors in power.

Fortunately, my person agrees with me.

The thing is -- I am the most cowardly person in the world. I am accepting of dying, but I can't bear jail and prison. So, anyway, here I am. Here I stand until dead, one way or another.

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FWIW, if you're considering buying a disposable Android device, prepaid Android cellphones in the US are dirt cheap these days; you can buy one for under $30, plus perhaps $20-$40 for one month's airtime, a few hundred SMS messages (yes, US carriers still count these), and a paltry data quota which is probably usable if the device spends most of the time on Wifi. You can buy these off the shelf in large chain stores, with no ID check. They're locked to US networks, and probably can't handle European bands anyway, but if the alternative is throwaways purchased only for the trip.

For the price, this obviously gets you lousy specs (cruddy camera, maybe no front-facing one at all, old software, low memory). But if you need a basic communications device, and secure software is low priority because the device will never have much on it to protect, they might be worth considering.

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I don't know about the 15 generations part, but property-deed restrictions on land sale to disfavored ethnicities have a long history in the United States. They were deemed unenforceable in 1948, but many still remain on the books.

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Charlie: Though, do due diligence with the cheap Android phones, as there is a problem with many of them with factory firmware secretly snagging personal info:

www.kryptowire.com/adupssecurityanalysis.html 1923A3622h3110L2417S15

Article mentions US online retailers, still AMZN was largest source of the targeted phones.

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I'd be willing to bet that Benny thinks of them as useful idiots. Likud has been in bed with Christianists in the states for ages, even though the Christianists make no secret of the fact that they want all of Jewry to be killed or forced to convert to Christianity at swordpoint.

It's the same people he's been working with, they're just in power now. I'm not sure that Benny's fully factored in the Neo-nazi connections though, or the Russian ones for that matter (though his security services are certainly alarmed at the latter).

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Given the interbreeding between the saxons & the Norman (French) that started very quickly, I suggest your analysis is warped by mythic semi-racist propaganda from the past?

Hint: The old Anglo-Saxon Royal line had re-integrated by the time of Henry II (i.e. after 1154)

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or hybrids like the UK WTF?

We are a parliamentary republic with an hereditary Head of State - just like, errr ...: Norway, Sewden, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium. Incidentally, that geographical / ethnic / religious grouping should tell you something?

Your USSA view is obviously a little warped by propaganda

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Someone else has noticed. You obviously believe, as I do that either the 2020 election won't happen, or will be Erdogan/Putin rigged so as to be a sham, then?

136:

105, 109, 110, 111, 115, 116, 117, 118, 120, 122, 124.

FFS!

Most of that is, very surprisingly comprehensible ... but: 1: We knew most, if not all of it already, so why did you bother? 2: Could you not have edited it down ( Including the whitespace ) to a neater output? 3: How about actually doing what the "phone" pepole are doing & suggest useful strategies, please, rather than just ranting?

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It's a bit worrying when something I distinctly remember reading in the press a year or two ago is not discoverable by search; especially so, when it involves Boris Johnson.

Boojums was detained at the airport and deported from the US a few years ago, while he was Mayor of London and (I think) still MP for Henley.

This makes it interesting to observe his attempts at appeasement on his next flight over there.

The background to this is that Boojums is eligible for American Citizenship, a dual natiinal, having been born in a US dependent territory. He flew out to meet his family in a holiday resort in Mexico, changing flights in (I think) Miami...

... And discovered that US officials regard all foreign-issued documentation as worthless and a bit dodgy. If you are eligible for a US passport, that is the only document that you can present to a US border officer, anything else is considered fraudulent and - this is the important bit - an attempt to make an illegal entry to the United States of America.

So Boris was detained - hopefully without handcuffs, I'm sure that they are nicer to wealthy white men than to some others - and put on a plane back to London at his own expense.

I think it's more than five years ago, so the mandatory veto of all subsequent visa applications will have expired by now. And I'm sure that the Foreign & Commonwealth Office will smooth it over if there's any problem this time.

I wonder if the FCO are working as hard as they should for any other UK passport-holders caught up in this. Sir Mo Farah is the most prominent one, but there are numerous others: Iranian Jews, expelled by the Ayatollah spring to mind, as would a number of Egyptian Coptic Christians.

Our Prime Minister's position is "Please sir, can we support your policies on everything, we really, really want a trade deal, but I've been told to ask you to be nicer to any British citizens" which is somewhat unconvincing; and insincere, as her actions in making British citizens stateless, the detentions and the mass deportations, make it clear that she's wholeheartedly with Bannon on this.

So Boris is in a difficult position on this, and I can't help thinking that his Prime Minister is secretly hoping that Boojums will be detained and deported again.

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I'm 100% WASP, and can track my ancestry back to 15th century Devonshire, raised irreligiously, atheist from my teens.

BUT, my Dad converted to Islam when I was in my 20s. At this point, it's starting to become a matter of more than idle curiosity whether that's enough to put me on the radar of some paranoid, demented wide-net American watchlist six months hence.

I can only imagine how people who are actually Muslim or brown feel.

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Scottcie @ 103: " The welcome is warm and the beer is cold!" ... and the Fascism is in a different accent.

Let's not kid ourselves Australia is any better. Not when our Treasurer is busy congratulating the USA for "catching up" on immigration policies. We swapped the beige democracy for beige fascism back in the 2000s, back when John Howard was still in power, back at the point where Uncle Rupert took control of over 50% of our mainstream media, and didn't give it back. Everything since then has just been changing the names on the letterheads. The big mistake, in Uncle Rupert's opinion, was letting Tony Abbott get elected as PM - he gave the game away.

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Many many years ago, at one of the Brighton Worldcons ... One H Harrison told me that: "All the (surviving) Nazis didn't go to Argentina after WWII - they're in AUS, right now!"

141:

Yes. (Am still planning to be at Boskone, as a wind-down after a week of meetings. Subject to previous caveats about whether it's safe to travel, of course.)

142:

In the hypothetical event that I was configuring a burner smartphone in the expectation that it would be examined by hostile police, I'd happily install the Facebook app and log into my FB account.

Hint: I don't do FB and have posted maybe ten times in the past five years, mostly to say "I don't use Facebook". And my friends list is hopelessly contaminated with drive-by people I have no connection with other than the fact that they read one of my books and wanted to friend me for some reason.

(Oh, and when FB asks intrusive questions about where I went to school or whether I know someone? I either ignore it, or I frequently lie.)

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I note that only a couple of senior Congressmen and Senators from the Republican side of the aisle have spoken out in public so far.

Is it hopelessly optimistic to want to believe that a bunch more of them are meeting in private to discuss impeachment proceedings, but aren't going public until they've got enough folks on their team to make a credible play?

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Josef Goebbels' secratary dies See also: Traudl Junge & "Der Untergang"

Relevant to this discussion?

145:

Given our Treasurer (who used to be our Immigration Minister) has gone on record praising Trump's immigration policies and saying "the rest of the world is catching up to Australia", I believe very strongly he was right.

146:

US visits and the tourism industry - Hawaii can write off the long wished for 5 star trip my wife & I wanted. No way she said. I am sure I am not the only one.

I had started planning and decided it was easier not to take any electronics except actual camera- also make wife happy about not being a phone widow while on holiday.

But.... carrying nothing probably be suspicious itself in current climate.

Social media - lie to them? refuse to login?

Easier to go to Samoa or Noumea or Fiji

147:

Full film - over an hour Im toten Winkel ( The Blind Spot ) interview with Traudl Junge.

148:

I thought they mostly went to Cape Canaveral?

I'm actually due in the US myself towards the end of February, and am worrying about what devices to take - especially since I'm actually going to be in DC. I'd leave my phone behind entirely, but Slack is how I mostly communicate with the people I'll be staying with (the security profile of which is another issue entirely) so I'll need something - I could just take my sim card and pick up a burner there, but then how's that going to look at security?

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I'd say it's optimistic but not hopelessly so, since Republicans with at least a few working neurons have to be worried, must be so. Because if the ban, the wall and abandoning the TPP weren't bad enough, what to say of something so offensive, so absurd as the EO ordering the military to prepare a plan to destroy ISIS in one month?

It's probably too early for Trumpolini to start fearing the Grand Council meetings, but you know things are getting interesting when even the Koch brothers seem to be on the verge of joining the Resistance...

150:

On a more positive note, Empire Games will offer people a nice escapist view of not one but 2 fantastically utopian Americas with sane, rational policies.

151:

It's rare that South Park struggles to match real life.....

It's kinda surreal that we're all so used to politicians blustering and not doing what they say they'll do that I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in having assumed that Trump was simply full of shit.

It feels like during the campaign the things he came out and simply said repeatedly almost got less attention than the things people claimed he was super-secret crypto hinting at but at this point I don't think he does subtle.

If he's planning his own kristallnacht he'd be on twitter proclaiming that he was going to do kristallnacht better than anyone. Then he'd actually do it.

Of course he's said so much crazy shit that's ended up eclipsed I shudder to think what he'll do next that will be 100% in line with some crazy claim he made months ago.

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Short answer: don't take anything electronic you're not prepared to walk away from in a pinch. (Treat it as if you're entering China or Russia.)

Longer answer: old-fashioned single-purpose gizmos may be useful here. For example, I usually use an iPad Mini for reading ebooks, music, videos, email, etcetera. But I have, gathering dust, some ancient devices: iPod Classic (for music), Kindle 3 (ebooks), and so on. Five year old video players, if I want to watch videos? Cheap on eBay. For email, a throwaway webmail account: create it a day before travel and forward email from specific people I need to talk to for business to the burner account.

I use a password management database for my passwords. I have a colocated server that's pretty thoroughly locked down. I can leave an encrypted backup dump of the database on my server and then, if I decide it's safe to do so after arrival, I can haul it down via ssh/scp. But if it's not on your phone/tablet when you go past the border guards, they can't take it off you: worst case they install a keylogger on your device ... but "clean" Android tablets can be found in stores for $30-50 these days.

Alternatively, if it's possible but unlikely that you'll be stopped and searched, you might be best simply taking a late-model iPhone with the security settings dialed up to Alcatraz. (Touch ID disabled, lock screen alerts disabled, a long alphanumeric unlock password, auto-erase after ten failed login attempts, and so on.) Sucks mightily if they confiscate it and refuse to return it unless you unlock it, but that's your judgment call.

Note: I'm making the key assumption here that this is intended to avoid self-incrimination in front of border guards. It's not going to stop the NSA, or possibly the FBI! But my working assumption is that for the past two decades all my devices come pre-pwned by the Five Eyes from the factory gate, but that the Five Eyes don't play by the same rules as the uniformed goon squad and don't share intel with them.

If we ever reach the point where DHS have direct access to the NSA's take for vetting folks at the border, then it's fairly clear that civil rights are dead.

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What's this "We" business white man*? ;-)

Scotland is effectively a republican democracy with a monarch as head of state, because sovereignty is vested in the body politic.

OTOH England and Wales have a sovereign as head of state, albeit with sovereignty permanently transferred to a part-elected, part hereditary, part selected parliament.

  • This is a quote from a Lone Ranger joke, and should not be taken as a comment on anyone's ethnicity.
154:
Certainly there is a strong emotional appeal to "burn the whole fucking lot and start again".

It's depressing how I repeatedly find myself having arguments about this with people who want to build a better world, but who can't accept that they need a plan beyond "if we burn it down something wonderful will arise". I'm honestly not sure whether it's worse when they're the ones who don't know that even well-planned revolutions routinely eat their children or those who do know the history but still insist "this time will be different". I also have similar arguments with enthusiastic anti-monarchists who don't know what they want instead. I'm firmly opposed to the UK monarchy, but I'm only willing to get rid of it once there's a solid path to replacing it with something better, because there are plenty of ways to exchange it for something worse. And if history has taught us anything at all, it's that the megalomaniacs, Fascists, and kleptocrats are always ready to take advantage of a gap.

155:

Just imagine how proud I felt this morning clocking in to work for a company that's looking to do business with the NSA and the DHS.

If I were 5 years younger I'd be looking for another job right now, as it is I'll keep taking their money and settle for poisoning my social media profile sufficiently that I'll never make it through ESTA and thus avoid having to travel to the USA to deal with them face-to-face...

156:

I agree with your general point but I'm not sure how that relates to the monarchy. The British monarchy has basically no power any more beyond that of being wealthy hereditary celebrities who hang out with a lot of senior politicians.

In terms of actually ruling the country they've already been replaced.

Personally I'm not so happy that in recent times Parliament has pretty much systematically stripped power from every body that theoretically had power to oppose/block Parliament, even those bodies which haven't used said power in decades or more.

Lots of entities having a theoretical veto which they could invoke but basically don't, I sort of view as a good thing, a potential check on things going off the rails. Keeping in mind that parliaments can go bad sometimes too.

I like diffuse power in the hands of those who rarely if ever use it.

157:

My big objection to the royal family is that their special status creates two distinct classes of citizenship — citizens eligible to be head of state, and those who will never be HoS—determined by an accident of birth.

It's inherently discriminatory.

The simple solution would be to (a) pension off the royals (I see no reason not to let them, as a family, keep a bunch of their already-owned assets, and taper off the Civil List payments gradually), and (b) replace the Monarch as Head of State with a drop-in elected-but-ceremonial presidency similar to those in other Commonwealth nations that have become republics; there's constitutional boilerplate law for making this change already in existence, the new President is simply a replacement figurehead for the monarch who's rolled out to perform ceremonial tasks and subject to term limits. If parliament wants the president to play a more proactive role in governance later they can legislate accordingly. In the meantime, all the presidency does is (a) get rid of the two-classes-of-citizenship problem, and (b) ensure that the office isn't occupied by the recipient of a genetic lottery who might or might not be any good at the job.

158:

Alternative :

Assuming the xrates still makes it favourable and the TSA/Feds/DHS are more interested in incomers than outgoers - take advantage to fill up with new shiny shiny on the way out. I did that before with my MBA - special order from the US Apple store website with a UK keyboard layout using a UK credit card against a US delivery address and it arrived in 6 days. Of course that assumes you don't think Apple jumped the shark with the latest Macbook ranges.

159:

The British monarchy routinely gets privileged access to politicians - and assorted leaks over the years have shown can influence policy - in a way that is unavailable to normal citizens. (Not just British politicians, either - international relations are affected by what they say in private.) And they get that access because of the family they were born into, and with not only no oversight, but with special legal protections to prevent anyone finding out what was said. That's really not ideal. It's also, as I noted, very far being the worst option available, hence wanting to be sure that anyone turning us into a republic does actually improve matters. My point was that I've seen people so fixated on "this unelected person is getting a disproportionate say in affairs of state" that they're not thinking about what the replacement would be like.

Otherwise, yes, I agree entirely.

160:

Assuming the xrates still makes it favourable

Ha Ha Nope!

That's the funniest joke anyone's cracked on my blog all year. Assuming it was a joke, right?

(Sterling is so far in the tank that it's not very funny. Thanks, Brexit!)

161:

Also in (reply to Charlies OP) I think you have made a brave move - since its looking like 2017 will be just as random as 2016, and predicting which way the US will lurch in 6 months is nigh on impossible.

Forgive my nosiness and ignorance but apart from fees and costs associated with the Con itself - will you be taking a commercial hit? i.e. are there noticeable upticks in your sales due to Con appearances? Do your publishers ever mandate personal appearances or promotional tours?

162:

The thing about the monarchy, though, is that it makes the head of state largely apolitical.

I've always regarded that as one of the problems with America's construction - an elected head of state is, by default, an opponent of half of the country - I think that's a major contributor to the schizophrenic nature of the USA.

(Also, the unhealthy veneration of the flag as a substitute)

163:

Hmmm nope, as far as I can tell and as far as I have followed the discussions here in Germany regarding this, there is NO option to not exit as soon as the Article 50 has been triggered.

EITHER you manage to come to a deal within the 2 years. OR you are out without a deal and that's that. ONLY option is that if a deal hasn't been reached after two years, all other EU nations can UNANIMOUSLY (!) agree to extend the two year period and conduct further negotiations. Everybody I have heard considers that bit unlikely.

AFAICT there is no option at all to say "we have reached a deal, now the British public can vote on whether they want that deal". Because once a deal has been reached, that deal is the only option except for the one where you're out without a deal.

164:

Meantime, did I understand the news from the French presidential election correctly? They are going to try and do something at least as stupid as voting for Brexit or Trumpence later this year!

165:

While I'm not fond of Woody Allen, I think his example of playing clarinet in the band every time the AA Awards are on is worth following.

Warning! RAS Syndrome detected!

Danger! Danger Will Robinson!

166:

It's just a matter of how many people have to die if you think about it.

Kill off everyone in the current line of succession and the crown goes to some more distant relative following some set of rules.

Kill off them and it falls on someone else. Keep going until it falls on the head of Mike Smith a butcher in northumberland.

I know, I know. some rule from the Act of Settlement ruins this model since only decedents of one particular woman from the 1700's can ever be eligible. Apparently there's a grand total of something like <5K people who could theoretically be in line for the throne.

But if that rule were changed then theoretically anyone could end up with the crown if enough of the worlds population died.

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Forgive my nosiness and ignorance but apart from fees and costs associated with the Con itself - will you be taking a commercial hit? i.e. are there noticeable upticks in your sales due to Con appearances? Do your publishers ever mandate personal appearances or promotional tours?

Nip-pick; conventions pay travel expenses and cover accommodation, they don't pay speakers fees. (If they did, I'd have a whole visa-related can of worms to deal with.)

I won't take a direct sales hit — I'd have to sell a ridiculous number of books to offset a single international trip — but what drives sales is word of mouth, and fans are the best salesforce, so in the very long term not attending conventions is bad.

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Wait... you're going to be at Boskone?

Damn, now I have to think about day-tripping it.

(I don't usually do Boskone, due to it's proximity to Arisia, but for this, I just might. I'm a big fan of your Laundry series.)

As for the rest of it... I have disliked Presidents on both sides of the aisle in the past. This is the first one I'm actually AFRAID of.

169:

... progressively so since we removed one such Head's head, an act commemorated around the nation by countless Public Houses

170:

but you know things are getting interesting when even the Koch brothers seem to be on the verge of joining the Resistance... Too late, probably. Again Hitler & Stalin" by Bullock tells the tale. Also re-visit what happened to Franz von Papen, who was put in place to "keep Adolf under control" (!) Apart from a first-strike against the jews, Adolf kept a surprisingly-low profile for the first 18 months, until June '34. Then the shit hit the fan, by which time it was too late. This is the playbook I think they are following, with Pence & Dominionists pushing it along, since nothing the D has done is yet against what principles they have ....

171:

I don't think there are any "hereditaries" left in the Lords, are there? If so, there are very, very few of them, anyway.

172:

But, Charlie, there are much more important things to worry about - like the main subject of this discussion. Also, it ain't broke - leave it alone, for reasons elucidated by Chris @ 154.

173:

I don't think BoJo was deported - US citizens are the only people that have an absolute right of entry to the US (for now) and Boris isn't just eligible for US citizenship - he is a US citizen. Unless, of course he has finally actually renounced it, which he noisily proclaimed he was going to do when he was held up for travelling into the US on a non-US passport and then again some years later when he was on the hook to the IRS for capital gains tax after selling his London house. I have not heard of any confirmation that he has actually done so, perhaps because the US now charges its citizens around $3k to do so (plus potential exit tax if you have plenty of $$$, like Boris does).

Actually, it is possible that Boris is no longer a US citizen since taking the post of Foreign Secretary. It used to be State Dept policy to treat a US citizen taking a policy-making position in a foreign government, such as a becoming a minister, as showing intent to relinquish their US citizenship. Back after the fall of communism some Americans originating in some of the former Soviet republics returned there to take up government positions (I think one was President of Lithuania for a while) and State required them to renounce their US citizenship as a result.

Of course, State used to treat just voting in a foreign election by a naturalized US citizen as an expatriating act, but SCOTUS shot that down years ago, and it's quite possible that if it went to litigation, the foreign government membership thing would go the same way, but I've not heard of State announcing they no longer have that policy, but nor have I heard of it being applied to Boris.

174:

That is so wrong as to be laughable ...... I assume it was a "joke" for the uninitiated?

175:

Wodan, I know you feel there's communication happening here and some readers are making an attempt to interpret your oracular proclamations but please, for the rest of us, could you render your bafflegarb in plain speech?

176:

What you have to remember with Customs and indeed quite a lot of officialdom is that being a Customs officer or a TSA operative is not very well paid, and is really, stupendously boring. The few officers who actually like winding up customers, and the few who are petty thieves generally get caught and booted out eventually, leaving the core officers who have really high boredom thresholds.

These guys are doing everything by the book because after the ten thousandth punter trogs on by, that's the only way they can do the job without their brain imploding.

As long as your computing kit isn't obviously screaming "Look at me, I'm well dodgy I am" and isn't contaminated with detectable drugs, explosives or radioactives, then nobody's going to turn a hair. Going up to US Customs with minimalist kit bought for the trip won't arouse much suspicion, especially if you've a sob story about how your expensive Mac got stolen last trip and how the Canadian customs people were such utter uncaring beasts (give them a chance to feel all superior to the Canadians) to trot out for sympathy.

You won't get any sympathy, but Customs then have an explanation for the low-end kit in your bag. Combine cheap dumb phone with low-end Chromebook linked to nicely anodyne account, and nobody's going to suspect a thing. Combine that with correct paperwork and any Customs man goes back to "comfortably numb" and ignores you.

177:

I'm thinking hybrid more along the lines that it is not purely a 20th century democracy, but partly a 19th century one or older. And they're not necessarily the only one, having a monarch is a holdover from the 19th century, especially weak ones like Europe has. Belgium too, for example. The UK is a bit tricky though, since it has continually evolved. I mean, technically you could say the current government dates from 1707, but I think today's UK government would be nearly unrecognizable to people then. The US, OTOH, would have a government that is pretty recognizable to people in the 1790s. We've mostly just expanded the franchise and changed how senators are elected, along with an expansion of taxation powers.

The US President is essentially an elective monarch of the 18th century style, we just got lucky that the first one only stuck around for 8 years and set a tradition that eventually became law.

But if you look around Europe, most of their governments are rather modern.

France -- 1958 Austria -- 1945 Germany -- 1949 Spain -- 1978 Italy -- 1946 Norway -- 1905 or 1945, not sure which to count.

178:

Lucky you.

Me, I've got the WASP phenotype down pat. Blue eyes, light brown hair, very light skin (which is a bugger anywhere outside of cloudy, murky Britain; in sunny places I become the sunblock manufacturers' chief customer).

Go looking back in my family tree, though, and rather quickly a very mixed ancestry emerges. On my father's side, typical West Yorkshire but with more than a hint of Danelaw blood creeping in. On my mother's side, Irish, Russian, Jewish and goodness knows what else.

Basically, I'm a genetic mongrel. But I look ever so British!

179:

Der Untergang was a goddamn amazing film. I think it needs to air as a double feature with Look Who's Back. That film starts out like a pisstake python sketch, what if Hitler suddenly found himself in modern Germany and is really funny until it isn't anymore. If it leaves you really depressed, follow it up with Iron Sky, moon nazis invade the Earth, President Palin is in the White House. This movie takes a lot of crap online, it's like the critics don't understand it's spoof and satire and works off comedic logic, it's not meant to be 2001.

180:

The worst thing about Trumpian immigration policies is they don't even make evil sense. Like genocide to clear the locals out so you can mine in peace, evil but you at least follow the logic. With Trump we're banning people from countries with no history of terror attacks on American soil and not banning the ones that do!

I haven't run the numbers but I'm pretty sure that Americans with 401k's probably have a greater chance of losing a dollar in a Trump business than getting killed by terrorists. The statistic I heard is better odds of getting struck by lightning twice on the same day than getting car bombed.

181:

Charlie, I'm sorry to hear about your decision to stay out of the U.S. after February. I completely understand the urge to stay out, considering the amount of pure bullshit this administration has flung at us in the last week alone. A lot of what he's done is at a minimum very concerning, while some of what he's done is very scary indeed.

However, I want to make it clear to the non-US readers that Donald Trump lost the popular vote by almost 3,000,000 million votes. He DOES NOT have a mandate to do whatever the hell he wants to do. He and his team are currently attempting to "shock and awe" the opposition party, as well as the media. He is failing badly.

I have no doubt that things are going to be pretty shitty here for the next four years. But I have hope. My wife and I attended the Women's Protest March in Washington D.C., and the amount of Anti-Trump sentiment and energy was incredible. Almost half a million people flooded the streets in Washington D.C. alone. Within hours of his anti-muslim executive order last Friday, protestors flooded national airports across the country. The opposition is engaged and enraged, and we are going to do everything we can to make his life miserable. The only way Trump gets to carry out his entire agenda is if we let him.

For US readers, I highly encourage you to Google the Indivisible Guide. It's a great strategy for applying pressure to your member of the House of Representatives and your Senator. They will listen if enough of us continuously apply pressure because their number one priority is to get re-elected.

The game is not over. To use an (American!) football analogy, we are only at the beginning of the first quarter. If we hold firm and don't fall into despair we can limit the damage and take back the country. We have to.

182:

You've lost me there ...

Unhappy King Charles takes one for the Divine Right of Kings - check

Subsequent monarchs, starting with Charles II, take this lesson to heart, and gradually relinquish political power, generation by generation. OK, very gradually, and Charles II himself was still perfectly fine with personal rule, but was sneaky enough to get away with it. Unlike baby brother. Until our own Noble Queen, God Bless Her, who still has the theoretical power dismiss the government, one time only, labelled "Use only in case of out-of-context emergency" - check

You can't throw a stone throughout the realm without hitting a Kings Head pub sign. - check

183:

I don't think there are any "hereditaries" left in the Lords, are there? You took that as being more important than the difference in sovereignty!?

184:
The outcomes of the Brexit referendum and the US Presidential election prove that I was wrong about that; there are more utter shits (or people gullible enough to be mislead by authoritarian shitheads and racists) than there are socially-minded liberals willing to get off their arses and vote.

Maybe so in the case of Brexit, but, as HalkSmash @181 noted, Clinton got some 3 million votes more than Trump did. He didn't win because more people voted for him; he won because we don't elect the President by popular vote. And he entered office with an approval rating lower than Bush's after Katrina.

It may be cold comfort -- he is, after all, in office and wrecking up the place -- but most people didn't vote for him and don't like him, and I suspect things are only going to get worse for him on that score.

Even among the people who voted for him, his support's pretty shaky; as you note, a lot of them weren't fascists, they were simply people who, given the choice between fascism and neoliberalism, decided fascism was the lesser of two evils. That's not a good thing, but I think it's something we can work with; I think those people can be coaxed into opposing his agenda. (I overheard a coworker who voted for him -- a nice enough lady -- say, in a defensive voice, "Just because I don't like her doesn't mean I like him!")

It is, obviously, not a good thing that fascist white supremacists are in control of the executive branch. But they don't represent the majority, and there's some hope there as far as fighting back against them.

185:
Is it hopelessly optimistic to want to believe that a bunch more of them are meeting in private to discuss impeachment proceedings, but aren't going public until they've got enough folks on their team to make a credible play?

Unfortunately I think it is.

What the Tillerson hearings so far have demonstrated is that the "opposition" within Trump's party consists of a handful of guys who talk tough at first and then back down as soon as it's time to actually vote. It's political theater.

That said, the Republicans are craven opportunists. (As opposed to the Democrats, who are mostly just craven.) They'll ram through as much of their agenda as they can as quickly as they can, and watch the polls carefully to see if siding with him starts to hurt their chances at reelection. (All of the House and 1/3 of the Senate are up for reelection in November 2018.) If he starts to damage their chances, they'll turn on him. I doubt it'll come to impeachment, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they started running away from him in 2018 the way they ran away from Bush in 2008.

That said? He probably won't hurt many people's chances at reelection. The Senate seats that are up in '18 are mostly in conservative states, and we've got real problems with both gerrymandering and incumbency in general. The '10 midterms that swept the Tea Party (the Trump/Palin wing of the Republican Party) into power were considered a bloodbath because only about 80% of incumbents retained their seats.

Of course, all of these suppositions are based on recent historical precedent, and the bottom line is that there's no precedent for Trump. My predictions to date do not have a good track record; I never thought he'd win the primary, let alone the general. We have no idea what he'll do by the end of today, let alone between now and November 2018. I think impeachment is unlikely, but we're so far past unlikely at this point that I'm not sure how much that really means.

186:

He got the countries from an older law from Obama's administration. Which is why it doesn't make much sense given the current situation.

187:

There are 92 left as part of Blair's compromise. When one dies, the remaining hereditary peers of their party in the House of Lords hold an election to nominate a replacement.

188:

I think he might actually be doing something smart by signing so many upsetting executive orders in a short time. Even just one of them would get protests, and rather than stretch things out over months or a year he gets everybody angry all at once.

All of these protests over individual issues will end up blended together, and then dismissed as just being anti-Trump. So the individual messages will be diluted or lost. Oh, you're protesting -- that's just because you don't like Trump not because you have a legitimate complaint about climate change or women's rights or immigration crackdowns or education, etc.

189:

Charlie, this post was linked by Kevin Drum (US pundit, read by many). (If you're seeing a spike.) Waiting for a 21st Century Reichstag Fire

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191:

Very much my take on it as well. Most of it strikes me as unlikely to get much traction or likely to go disastrously if it does.

192:

...for the rest of us, could you render your bafflegarb in plain speech?

I don't thinks she can. She believes she has to keep a secret and all she can do is bury hints in random nonsense. I don't know whether she is "sane" in a form you or I would recognize, but she is smart enough to feel the need for self-preservation. The secret is a big one, worth being killed over (if it exists at all.)

Note that someone can be insane and still be aware of real facts.

P.S. You did feel it, about six months before Brexit, when the spiritual basis of the world underwent an inversion? I noticed it right off and thought I'd fallen into the mystical equivalent of doggie-doo, then I realized after Brexit and other things that the world had changed around me.

193:

There's so much lying from this admin I wouldn't even trust them on this. The list could have come from Obama, it could have been found on the floor of the bathroom in a Denny's down the block.

194:

One of Trump's next possible executive orders involves H1B visas

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-30/trump-s-next-move-on-immigration-to-hit-closer-to-home-for-tech

I'm surprised he did the Muslim ban first. This would make him real popular with his base (in the same way Carrier did).

195:

If only SCORPION STARE was available:

"Officials in Washington D.C. have admitted that some 70 percent of the controllers for their closed-circuit television cameras were hacked in the week prior to the inauguration of President Donald Trump. The hack saw 123 of 187 network video recorders, with each controlling up to four CCTV units, unable to record video between Jan. 12 and 15. According to The Washington Post, the hack appeared to be an extortion effort that ”was localized” and did not affect any criminal investigations. City Chief Technology Officer Archana Vemulapalli told the paper that the units were restored by taking the devices offline, removing all software and restarting the system at each site. It’s unclear whether any valuable recorded data was lost when the devices were wiped. Officials claim that the malware did not spread further into the city’s computer system, begging the question as to how the devices became infected to begin with."

196:

Is it hopelessly optimistic to want to believe that a bunch more of them are meeting in private to discuss impeachment proceedings, but aren't going public until they've got enough folks on their team to make a credible play?

That's the kind of discussion it's dangerous to have in any very explicit form, at least until things are far gone and there's little to lose. (Like next week or so.)

Question: If word of the discussions leak to Trump/Bannon, what preemptive actions could they take to head off impeachment and removal? What if the process is actually underway in the House and then Senate? Could he declare a state of emergency and martial law? Get the FBI to arrest the plotters for tax evasion?

197:

Stupidly opposite U.S. policies have been the norm with regard to the Muddled East since at least 9/11. The elephant in the room is that ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, etc., are all Sunni fanatics inspired by Wahabi clerics from Saudi Arabia and given startup financing with Saudi "charity" monies. (The Wahabi clerics may be homegrown by this point.)

The "sane" strategy after 9/11 would have been:

1.) Improve relations with Iraq (a rare, Arab secular state) and build them back up.

2.) Improve relationships with Shiite states like Iran, using them as a counterweight to Wahabi Islam. I suspect that the Iranians would be open to better relations right now if the offer was made in good faith.

3.) Lean on Israel really, really hard to settle their Palestinian problem, spending considerable money to do so if necessary. (The cash we spent on the Iraq war would have bound up any number of wounds, and/or voluntarily moved a shitload of Palestinians to someplace the Israelis didn't care about.)

4.) Don't shift our troops from Afganistan to Iraq. Don't try to fix Afghani society. Just capture Al Quaeda and go home!

5.) Work green energy really, really hard so we don't have any actual need to be in the Muddled East.

6.) Confiscate all Saudi assets in the U.S. and use them to pay the 2001 taxes for everyone in the U.S. (Can you imagine the look on bin Laden's face when he learns that the end result of his attack was a tax holiday for 300 million Americans?) This would also have discouraged further terrorist contributions on the part of Saudi fanatics.

7.) Stop selling arms to the Saudis.

Note that 4 of these 7 options are still available.

198:

SO do I, for exactly the same genetic-mix reasons (!)

199:

NO, I checked that one first. In practical terms, there is no difference in "sovereignty" Yes, I know about the Declaration of Arbroath.

Off-topic @ # 180 "401k" Uh?

200:

Is it hopelessly optimistic to want to believe that a bunch more of them are meeting in private to discuss impeachment proceedings, but aren't going public until they've got enough folks on their team to make a credible play?

I suspect that the strategy for x number of Republicans is "Trump out, Pence in" but I have no idea of what number x represents, or how that particular strategy will play out. Trump being impeached is possibly not a good thing.

201:

A 401K is a popular retirement plan in the U.S. It works by having the business which hired the employee take (and generally match) 1-5 percent of the employee's salary and invest it in something. Many 401K investments (maybe most) are made by the hiring business purchasing shares in a reliable mutual fund, others invest in the company itself, if the company is on the stock market, or in a mixed basket of shares.

202:
(The cash we spent on the Iraq war would have bound up any number of wounds, and/or voluntarily moved a shitload of Palestinians to someplace the Israelis didn't care about.)

Gee, that went well last time!
(I know that's not exactly what you meant, but the thought "just move the Palestinians out of the way and shut them up" is quite close to the root of the whole conflict. Maybe try an idea that engages with the Palestinians as people with real concerns and grievances, not geopolitical game tokens?)

203:

Don't you mean 5? ( 2, 3, 5, 6, 7 )

204:

Question: If word of the discussions leak to Trump/Bannon, what preemptive actions could they take to head off impeachment and removal? What if the process is actually underway in the House and then Senate? Could he declare a state of emergency and martial law?

Oh, wait, I realize you've already provided the answer. Reichstag fire. Operation Northwoods. Easy peasy.

I speculate that, in such an event, The Orange One would be heroically martyred and, grief-stricken but resolute, Pence/Bannon would pick up his banner and exercise emergency executive powers to restore order. Permanently.

205:

It's twice as likely to be killed by an armed toddler (~20 fatalities per year in the U..S.) than by a jihadist. If you only count jihadists who come from outside the U.S., the proportion rises to 10.

206:

I think it's probably too long after 9/11 for a punitive confiscation of Saudi money.

207:

Well, the newly elected POTUS did say that he would defeat ISIL. News reports show friendly exchanges with the Saudis who have very similar views on immigration, as well as migrant and women's rights.

As a non-Brit, unsure of this paper's credibility/editorial policy. Even so, this story caught my attention. Looks like JK's dad and pen-pals will be on DT's team:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/jared-kushner-convict-fraud-father-charles-new-york-property-empire-president-donald-trump-adviser-a7552496.html

For Greg:

Think you'll enjoy this: JK's dad bought his son's Ivy League (MBA) degree.

208:

Question: If word of the discussions leak to Trump/Bannon, what preemptive actions could they take to head off impeachment and removal? What if the process is actually underway in the House and then Senate? Could he declare a state of emergency and martial law? Get the FBI to arrest the plotters for tax evasion?

On a purely theoretical basis, he can do essentially nothing. Only the legislature itself can expel a member, and they have the constitutional authority to compel the police to release their members to Congress to execute their duties. They have their own special police force which is explicitly beholden only to the House and Senate itself to guard the Capitol and their persons. In other words, the Constitution was written by people who worried about this sort of eventuality.

I'll let you consider for yourself whether this means anything to a dictator with a rabid base of followers beholden to his personality cult and Nazi advisors skilled in disinformation and subversion.

209:

If we ever reach the point where DHS have direct access to the NSA's take for vetting folks at the border, then it's fairly clear that civil rights are dead.

Ummm?

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/13/obama-opens-nsas-vast-trove-of-warrantless-data-to-entire-intelligence-community-just-in-time-for-trump/

210:

Grrr ... bloody "Telegraph" have put the "Matt" cartoons on fucking "premium"

SO - go to the "DT's" web-site & look at today's cartoon....

[ "Southern" employee telling harassed travellers: "Our travel restrictions do not discriminate against any religion or ethnic group" ... ]

211:

You might want to do a little checking on the Swift - I moved back to the US last September and brought my Storm with me (loved that phone), but it REALLY struggled with data services and had issues with call quality too.

212:

Of course they have. Matt is usually the only part of the paper worth reading.

213:

I'm glad to be able to see you next month, sad not to see you in the US for another 4 years, and pretty damned horrified to be living here, despite my blue state existence.

214:

Deliberately so, the intention being more by way of a humorous parody of such myths than strict concern with rigid historical accuracy - although not so far as to actually ignore your specific concern ("...more or less just turned into..." :) )

215:

Glad to see i'm not the only one who just sees mostly meaningless word salad; they can change their username as much as they like but the bafflegarb (great word) is a dead giveaway. Can someone please tell me why this person is still tolerated here? They've repeatedly been asked to stop, numerous comments of theirs have been deleted and they are responsible for charlie getting a threat of legal action so why in pity's sake are they not perma-banned? People have had a red card for far less. I like the discussion here, even if i don't contribute a lot to it, but this entity is souring some very good debates.

216:

Can someone please tell me why this person is still tolerated here?

  • They're like a cryptic crossword; either you can figure out the underlying message, or you can't, but if you can there's some good stuff there.

  • I like to keep them around as an antidote to the prevailing mind-set on this blog which is, regrettably, people like you. Internet fora tend to succumb to groupthink, and the collective mindset of my blog commentariat is collectively too white, too male, too technocratic, and tends towards a quasi-autistic blindness towards nuance, emotion, and the rest of human existence. (Except many autism-spectrum folks can work out what's going on and emulate it, while the blog borg here simply motors through obliviously.)

  • 217:

    Re point 2 Ouch... I would agree that there is a tendency, not just here, for people to seek out similar minds and succumb to groupthink-I am fully aware that this applies to me and do try to avoid it, usually without success. This is why when G**g goes on an anti-corbyn rant I read it even though I disagree. I often wonder if our resident gadfly is a nascent AI lurking in the bowels of the internet! You do have guest writers, have you considered having a post from someone with different political leanings to many commentators?

    218:

    They might make a better antidote to the groupthink (which I don't think is really all that bad, personally, but then I'm a lot more than merely quasi-autistic so may not be the best judge of these matters) if they experimented with posting in plain English every once in a while.

    219:
  • I'll take your word for it then but i'm afraid the subject matter is too convoluted for my understanding.

  • Thanks for that vote of confidence there but i do agree with your criticisms of blog groupthink with a tendency toward a certain liberal mindset. I am quite comfortable having my worldview challenged, i think, and try to seek it out but this person's comments... i'm getting very little but noise and trolling unfortunately and i certainly wouldn't credit nuance to it. I do commend you for allowing some radically different voices here but when those voices could come with another threat of legal action i would just question where the value is that's all.

  • 220:

    While I think a lot of Republicans in Congress would greatly prefer Pence over Trump, it will take a lot before the impeach him. Most of what people on the Left have point at is really weak when it comes to impeachable offenses, they aren't going to make history by being the first to remove a President from office - from their own party - unless he does something really blatant. And even then they'll only impeach him if he doesn't pull a Nixon and resign on his own.

    Move too soon and it's another Andrew Johnson or Bill Clinton.

    221:

    Trump's essence is the hatred of civilisation.

    He didn't invent this in the least: the idea of refinement, excellence in art or science, or even simple decency as feminising poison is an underground stream in our national, psychic, landscape, born of the Highland Clearances, reasonable frontier dislike of the power of the arbitrary rules of the Eastern Seabord (I don't care which is the fish-fork) , envy of the natives, unreasonable hatred and envy of the same, and Grid knows what else. Twain satirised it in the fear of Aunt Polly, Robert E. Howard and John Milius made it humourlessly explicit, Pynchon must have had it in mind when speculating on Nazism as a flight from a gemütlich doom. You can hear it in the whinging of men no longer able to very plainly sexually harass with impunity; you could hear it in a T.P.-friendly audience's heartfelt `Let 'em die!!' when a candidate proposed the case of a sick man without insurance,and in every Trump rally.

    `He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.'

    Let's prove how effective civilised people can be.

    222:

    I, for one, think the beige is good. All of you you are wishing revolution, i.e., deaths and pain and children crying, what is it that you want that the beige did not provide that is worth that?

    A more social state than Sweden? A more peaceful society than Switzerland? A stricter enforcement of social norms than Japan? Better healthcare than in France? More theocracy than in the Southern United States? In all the wide gamut of “Western” societies, did none of them fit your expectations?

    Did the result of thinking Trump and Clinton are the same teach you nothing? Where did the people Charlie counted on that somehow voted neither for the left nor the far left parties were supposed to come from?

    I've never heard anyone articulate a vision which was tempting. In the end, they all enforce their dreams with camps.

    I like my beige liberal social-democracy, thank you very much. Yes, our world is imperfect, but that is an argument to make it better, not burn it to the ground.

    223:

    Have you actually been to Orlando, outside of the tourist strip? I lived there for years, it's a pretty normal place overall.

    Not very often. Maybe 4 times. And only once to visit the parks.

    But the other times (yes many years ago) were on business evaluating software from a company based near there. And I spent time with a native who grew up there. He even called it a strange area. High school basketball start and theme park worker to pay bills while in college.

    When I was there last a few years ago we hit up the various Best Buys and similar looking for (what turned out to be rare) camcorder batter. The stores were filled with foreign tourists buying up there limit in tax avoidable / duty free stuff to take back home. Mostly to South America and Europe.

    Referring to 1000s of acres of theme parks (competing ones at that) a "strip" is a bit of minimalist thinking.

    To me the calling Orlando typical of a US metro area is like calling Pigeon Forge TN a typical Appalachian town.

    I'm sure there are normal areas but as someone who's been to more cities in the us than "most", it's just different.

    224:

    Well, for what it's worth, though they'll work with him as they have to and profit from his evil if they can, Wall Street basically hate Trump, and have not been willing to lend him money for decades…in both cases because they know him.

    225:

    either you can figure out the underlying message, or you can't, but if you can there's some good stuff there.

    I read the first chapter of Gyn-Ecology and that was easier than her above's posts. I've lost patience, because I've never managed to get anything useful out of those posts. It's not entertaining, it's very rarely informative, and it's never changed my opinion because there's never an actual argument there, just (at best) a suggestion of a keyword to search for. So it's a lot of work for very little reward.

    But I doubt that I'm the target audience. I read your blog for a view on events in the UK that I don't get easily from Australian media or The Guardian. When it comes to far-right, feminist, PoC, working class, whatever, views, I get those from other sources. I'm not convinced that semi-literate babbling is something I benefit from being exposed to.

    226:

    GT asked a question. I answered and pointed out it was easy to confirm. That's all.

    Senior GOP folks are trying to figure out how to deal with him without getting thrown, err voted, out of office in 2 years.

    They knew DT was going to be a bit wild but now are trying to figure out how to run the China shop now that the bull has taken up residence. And sniffing at the door to the stockroom where the good stuff is locked up.

    227:

    but you know things are getting interesting when even the Koch brothers seem to be on the verge of joining the Resistance...

    Yep https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/koch-network-poised-for-new-role--as-the-conservative-resistance-to-trump/2017/01/30/7750ef02-e67c-11e6-bf6f-301b6b443624_story.html

    228:

    Touch ID disabled,

    Why? I'm not aware of THIS making an iPhone less secure.

    If you're referring to the current odd situation in US where you can be compelled to provide a finger print but not a pass code, mostly, sort of... Just keep it turned off as you enter border areas or other places where you think it might be confiscated. Then the only way to unlock it is via a pass code.

    229:

    those who do know the history but still insist "this time will be different".

    Because obviously we're smarter now than they were then.

    GDRFC

    230:

    The Germans are completely happy with killing Greeks and Italians and other people in order to have the German economy up and running.

    Of course all Germans come of one factory line and are all the same, apart from the odd splotch of paint.

    Regarding that fear is better than boredom reasoning: is it also better to be dead? and 3/4 of your family too? The old and the little children slaughtered because they were not useful, most of the adults worked to death?

    And all because peaceful change was too much work?

    231:

    "Trump's essence is the hatred of civilization."

    Or fear of civilization or not knowing how to adjust primitive fear to the burden of faculties of reason.

    There was always a forest that some, unable to cope with modern civilization, could walk into. Now it feels like people are voluntarily walking into the forrest. I just wish they would leave their iPhones and medications at home.

    232:

    Congresscritters are utterly venal and won't turn on DT until his craziness begins to reflect on the party to a point where it threatens their own personal hold on power and narrowly defined self interests. That may be sooner, it may be later, or it might not happen at all. Remember though that many of DT's most ardent supporters are the same people who control the balance of power in Republican primaries and who the Congresscritters are most afraid of offending.

    As for a Pence presidency, a lot of commenters seem to think that he would be some sort of evil theocratic mastermind. His record and reputation speak of him much more as a dimwitted mouthpiece for whichever interest wants to stick a cash filled fist up his arse though. He'd probably wind up a lot closer to Ronnie Raygun than anyone else, a genial face to repeat the lines that he's being fed while others get down to the serious business of looting in the background.

    In some ways a Pence presidency would probably be worse than DT, the looter interests would have carte blance to get any legislation they wanted passed and the US would wind up with a whole bunch of terrible economic laws, with a bit of red meat thrown to the theocrats on the side to keep them quiet. In other ways it would probably be better, Pence is a predictable sort of evil and has not got the imagination to reach the heights that DT can aspire to.

    233:

    If the leaks are to believed, Pence and Bannon are on opposite sides of a tug of war over Mango Mussolini's attention, and Bannon is currently winning. Hence the fasicistic insanity of the past few days. The upside of that situation is that if things reached a point where POTUS needed to be removed either via impeachment or the 25th Amendment, Bannon would go with him in disgrace. Pence is a terrifying Dominionist nutbar, but I do believe that he at least respects the rule of law and won't try to do completely insane things like push Federal departments to ignore lawful court orders.

    234:

    Re: '...quasi-autistic blindness towards nuance, emotion, and the rest of human existence.'

    Really? ... and here I thought it was a case of classic Brit politeness.

    As someone who tears up watching movies, listening to music, reading, etc. - plus having been personality-tested up the wazoo, I can provide bona fides re: possession of emotion, and ability to apprehend nuance in real-life as well as in art. As also having some personal and educational experience with clinically diagnosed psych disorders ... some posters have come across as screwed up, whether by choice (hiding, LULZ) or for some other reason, I don't know ... but a-normal nonetheless.

    Haven't as much experience with autistic individuals ... but if the core of autism is difficulty in reading/interpreting emotive intent, then masking or contorting quasi-emotional comms only makes it harder for what you describe as your primary (larger) audience to participate. Analogy: if you're trying to communicate with some who's hard of hearing, would you only speak after several shots of booze - therefore slurring your speech - and only when the aircon is going full blast, or would you take greater care in enunciating each word?

    Communication goes two ways with signals exchanged to help steer understanding. I am not getting clarifying signals.

    Good luck in finding an emotional cognition/sense teacher a la Anne Sullivan.

    235:

    All I said was that before you clear customs everything on your person can be inspected. And in your person in reality. Until you get through that door you're not "in country".

    As to them being bored, totally agree. I was "detained" for an hour or so going into Canada years ago to make sure I wasn't taking a job away from a Canadian. I wasn't.

    But the best one was back around 81 when I was bringing into Canada from the US two boxes of logo'd 3 ring binders. Our local Canadian based site had run out and forgot to order more in time. Maybe 10 pounds total including the boxes. Worth maybe $2 to $3 each at the time. Customs wanted me to pay a duty. Ok fine. How much. Told him they cost maybe $50 to $100 total. He said no, he thought the metal content was worth more than that. So he spend AN HOUR trying to figure out the value of the metal in the rings and spine. (He had a really thick set of books he kept flipping through on a nice stand.) I don't remember what he finally decided they were worth but I just paid the duty and got through the doors. With the people meeting me asking what the heck had been going on. They got to watch most of it through the glass wall between customs and the real world. Giving me very puzzled looks the entire time.

    236:

    Precisely. Its funny that the people saying burn it down are either the ones who want to hold the flaming torch or the nihilistic types who want to take us all with them.

    Blaming the Germans (or even the EU) for for all the Greeks problems is a little disenguious IMO. Dragging the rest of the EU into the same state as Greece isn't going to help them unless you believe that the adage that misery loves company works on geographic scales.

    But sure burn it down - hope those who think like that are the first to burn. Its hard to remember in the face of all the current madness but the vast majority of readers on this blog are still wat better off than we were in say the 80’s when a few thousand nukes were pointing at us.

    237:

    The list could have come from Obama, it could have been found on the floor of the bathroom in a Denny's down the block.

    The O admin talked about these countries in public. They just didn't go nuts and do what Trump did about them and act as if they had found the secret to life in the US. But they did do a lot of limiting of who could come here from those places. And a few others.

    238:

    I like my beige liberal social-democracy, thank you very much.

    I have no objection to beige liberal social-democracy, as long as there's enough social democracy in the mix. The ratio has been declining drastically for decades, and these days seems to be represented more by workfare schemes and ranting about benefit scroungers and the workshy than actual compassion and a commitment to equality of opportunity.

    What we ended up with was beige neo-liberalism, i.e. asset-stripping theft from the commons disguised as conservativism.

    239:

    The "sane" strategy after 9/11 would have been:

    Get rid of at least 50% of the world's need for oil. It renders the rest of your points moot.

    I've been yelling this at my conservative friends since the mid 70s. They refuse to understand how a their use of Texas/Alaskan/Baken/whatever US based production impacts the rest of the world and keeps up militarily involved in the Middle East.

    240:

    Charlie's blog, Charlie's rules.

    But he can't MAKE me read his/her posts. Or reply to them. So I skip over about 80% to 90% of them. Especially if they are more than a few lines long.

    I'm sure others here do so with my comments. If Charlie doesn't want me around he can show me the door anytime and make me a passive reader.

    241:

    I'm sure others here do so with my comments. If Charlie doesn't want me around he can show me the door anytime and make me a passive reader.

    I do that very sparingly. (Last person? Dirk Bruere, after he announced he'd joined UKIP and began advocating racism. This being my blog, I feel no obligation to provide a platform for people evangelizing viewpoints I find repugnant to the point of being personally threatening.)

    242:

    Most of what people on the Left have point at is really weak when it comes to impeachable offenses, they aren't going to make history by being the first to remove a President from office - from their own party - unless he does something really blatant

    The last time Republicans in Congress tried to impeach a President, in 1998, it was over minor perjury in a civil suit. Trump's actively soliciting payments from foreign governments (via his hotels), and his administration is in direct defiance of court orders regarding access to detainees at airports. Both of these are matters of much greater legal import. If anyone ever wants to impeach this guy, there will be no shortage of reasons to do it.

    I certainly agree that the current lot in Congress won't impeach Trump until they think he endangers their own political positions. (I would have said "power", but Trump's autocracy threatens to drastically disempower Congress. They just aren't thinking that far ahead.)

    BTW, on removal of Presidents, the number of times it has happened really does depend on how you count. The only reason Nixon wasn't removed by impeachment was that he resigned to preempt it.

    243:
  • They're like a cryptic crossword; either you can figure out the underlying message, or you can't, but if you can there's some good stuff there.
  • For such folk as I who, after a while, have decided that it isn't worth putting up with the odious crap to try to dig out the alleged good stuff, a tutorial would be helpful. I.e., take a few of CD's past posts and deconstruct them to show what worthwhile material was there and how it was extracted. Obviously I'd like to be able to benefit from the alleged good stuff if it's really there.

    2.

    As for that, of course group-think is a persistent problem and I basically agree with Tim up at 219.

    244:

    I'm sorry, but this is a very Anglo American vision of the world. Inequality has been rising across the so called developed world, yes, but marginally outside of the US, GB, and for reasons I've not looked at, NZ...

    In most of the EU, social democracy is the norm. Why not in the UK, or rather why are the attacks so violent here, honestly I don't know. Probably a confluence of factors. Murdoch, the class society, the bad quality of education. But whatever it is, it's very specific. The US has different reasons entirely: racism, religious bigotry, the myth of self reliance, traditionally weak government.

    My point is that seeing very different causes yielding similar effects as a single overwhelming system teeters on the brink of conspiracy. Particularly because the causes are not political, they are social economic.

    If you want a single cause, there's this. China caused investing in employees to be a bad strategy versus arbitrage. It takes a sociopath to arbitrage between lives, and so they've been favoured for twenty-odd years as managers and strategists. The China shock is over, and there will be no others like it, so the question is how do we relearn to value humans and get rid of the parasites?

    How do we do it without destroying openness, prosperity and democracy?

    245:

    In most of the EU, social democracy is the norm. Why not in the UK ... honestly I don't know.

    It probably has a lot to do with how moneyed elites were destroyed on the Continent by any or all of fascism, communism, and de-nazification (depending on the country). In the UK and America they maintained their power.

    246:

    Also the left wing of the tory party, some Lem-o-Crats & the right wing of the Labour party are all "Social Democrats" in greater or lesser form, but a separate party of that name & grouping has never arisen. But, you get people like my Labour MP, who is obviously an SD - & OF COURSE ... Momentum are trying to unseat her. This level of stupid, when we are faced with a threat like Trump is pathetic, or would be if it wasn't so suicidal.

    247:

    Did any of your feminist guest writers react positively to her? I seem to recall the reverse. She does add variety, but I am not sure she is particularly strong on emotional nuance or on providing an antidote to patriarchal biases. In particular she seems drawn to Madonna archetypes, quasi-divine female figures of suffering and worship, as opposed to feminist models, which tend to be humanist and aspire to making women part of the norm of society. (By that, I mean changing the "norm" so that it can accommodate female experience rather than contrast itself from the female as the "alien." Having a few great exemplars of Awe-full Femininity is fairly standard practice for patriarchy.)

    248:

    Exactly. With friends like the Saudis, who needs enemas? Green energy eliminates our need to kiss the a**es of a bunch of desert-dwelling hicks, then we can let that region go rot.

    249:

    "a separate party of that name & grouping has never arisen"

    You mean apart from the 80s when we had the Social Democratic Party, now part of the lib dems :)

    Given the internal stresses in Labour that caused their formation I wouldn't be entirely surprised if something similar happened again in the next couple of years.

    250:

    Meanwhile .... For UK citizens & residents ONLY ( Though others can watch ) THIS: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

    If you are entitled - SIGN IT! Please, please, sign it?

    The count is rocketing as you watch - I signed this morning, when it was at approx 1.2 million - it's now almost 1.6 million. Keep'em coming.

    AND - shit but you know it's bad when a (By Brit standards) right-wing paper like the torygraph publishes a set of ant-Trump cartoons: HERE - with a constant theme of that certain statue ...

    251:

    We should be so lucky .....

    252:

    Obviously certain sections of the ruling class, especially the corporate kind, have positioned themselves to win no matter what, but it does seem that, like a certain other country or two, they hadn't realised how nuts their sock puppets were, and how much they could attack the basis of their economic success.

    253:

    Hang on, what are social democrats these days? Do they believe in using the state to correct the excesses of capitalism? And that a free society is a good one? I mean what's their distinguishing identity? Free-er and nicer to the poor than the Tories? Let you keep more of your profits than labour?

    254:

    "As for my worst case nightmare scenario? Given the reshuffle on the National Security Council and the prominence of white supremacists and neo-nazis in this Administration I can't help wondering if the ground isn't being laid for a Reichstag Fire by way of something like Operation Northwoods."

    Why do I have a real bad feeling about the Super Bowl?

    255:

    Somewhere there is an alternate universe where Hillary won - and America has been rocked by dozens of Oklahoma City-like bombings staged by Right Wing militia groups. Lot's of Timothy McVie wannabees vowed that they would violently resist a Clinton presidency. Behind all of their bluster, Red Americans are desperate.

    As they say down South, nothing kicks harder than a dying mule. And don't let this election fool you - Red America is dying. Like the Slave States over 150 years ago, Red America is being left behind demographically, economically and demographically. Time is not on their side.

    The Red/Rural countryside is economically, technologically and demographically dying out. The one thing Trump said during the election that was factually honest was his claim that this was Red America's last chance to reclaim their country. And he was right. 2016 was more of a last gasp, like a dying fire that flares up one last time before it goes out. Or as they say down South, “Nothing kicks harder than a dying mule.” Start with the age divide. A breakdown of the exit polls provides a simplifying clarity to the election results: Trump essentially won those over age 45 and Hillary won those under age 45. If 20-somethings voted at the same rate as retirees Hillary would have won in a landslide.

    (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td5xFxiEuQQ)

    All the other divides are explained by this. White v. dark? the majority of older Americans are white, the majority of young Americans are multi-ethnic and multi-cultural. Urban v. rural? The majority of rural American are old white, either retired farmers or unemployed factory workers who can’t find a job at age 50+ while young yuppies are starting cool hip careers in high tech urban areas. Educated v. uneducated? Older Americans have less education on average than younger Americans. And so on…

    If the situation weren't so dire we could wait them out:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/06/the-graying-of-rural-america/485159/

    "Over the past two decades, as cities have become job centers that attract diverse young people, rural America has become older, whiter, and less populated. Between 2010 and 2014, rural areas lost an average of 33,000 people a year. Today, just 19 percent of Americans live in areas the Census department classifies as rural, down from 44 percent in 1930. But roughly one-quarter of seniors live in rural communities, and 21 of the 25 oldest counties in the United States are rural."

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/06/slow-death-in-the-great-plains/376882/

    "With fewer children, schools will be closed and consolidated. As the population drops, the Postal Service will close post offices. Government at all levels will reduce staff. Elks Clubs and American Legion posts will close, as will movie theaters and barber shops. Churches with dwindling memberships will be unable to support a pastor. In many towns the clinic or hospital will close, owing to a lack of patients and an inability to retain doctors. The effects of reduced economic input will ripple through the local economy -- particularly in rural areas, where people depend on one another. As the cutbacks continue, the value of real estate will plummet. Adding to the problem, in fifteen years Baby Boomers will begin to retire. Many will move to Omaha, Wichita, Denver, or even Texas. WOOFs (well-off older folks) will seek easier climes, and houses in many small towns will go begging. A similar fate awaits commercial property."

    256:

    If you're a serious activist, calling out the possibility of that kind of event is the thing you should be doing every day, as loudly as possible.

    As to your specific feelings on scheduling, I disagree; you'll see that happen after they've had time to:

    1.) Get their cabinet picks appointed. You've got to have your people in place before your "event."

    2.) Become frustrated that most people are against them. (I suspect they see the problems this weekend as an early hiccup in their process, not the beginning of a major activism campaign.)

    3.) Make some changes to the security forces; particularly how they vet new people. I'm mainly thinking about DHS and the Border Patrol.

    4.) Set something up.

    But big events in 2018? I wouldn't plan on attending...

    257:

    ...you'll see that happen after they've had time to:

    ...if it happens at all. Calling this one accurately will be tough.

    258:

    If he insists it has to be made according to Clancy's design there isn't that much to worry about...

    259:

    Thank you. I've seen a lot of unwarranted gloating from Australian progressives over the past week, usually along the lines of 'this wouldn't happen in Australia, because of our superior voting system/laid back attutide/multiculturalism/desperate need to believe at least we're not as bad as the Americans'. No, cupcakes, it's because it already happened. Australia crossed the moral event horizon long ago. We are the refugee-torturing, resident non-citizen-deporting dystopia Trumpland dreams of being.

    260:

    I read Backing Hitler: Consent and Coercion in Nazi Germany a long time ago and it has influenced the way I think for a long time. It is important to learn to recognize all the little and small things that we do that help tyrants.

    261:

    And the experience of Nazi occupation and rule, for all but a very few places, and the fighting to get rid of them again taking place on your own soil...

    Communications, both physical and verbal... countries that share a land border must necessarily have a closer relationship with and more influence over each other than countries that do not. And while I have no hard knowledge I have the strong impression that people on the continent frequently learn each others' languages, whereas the British are notorious for being shit at it, and I have an idea the US is similar; people will of course naturally tend to align more with those they can most readily communicate with.

    Indeed, I suspect that's the deeper cause, as it relates to the contrast between European and British history over a much longer period. British history is one track, while European history is a distinct track, or set of intermingled tracks, heading more or less parallel but proceeding at different rates; the tracks are close, and there are lots of footprints leading from one to the other or back again, but they remain distinct in a way that the sub-tracks making up the European track do not. Being on the other side of a big ditch has accorded Britain a measure of political separation that has not been possible between countries sharing land mass.

    262:

    Charlie, given what just happened thirty minutes ago, you should cancel that February ticket now.

    263:

    I assume you mean firing the acting AG?

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/donald-trump-immigration-order-department-of-justice/index.html

    I don't see that as particularly significant. It's a small escalation in the current campaign to radically change the US government, but it's not unconstitutional AFAIK. Unlike, say, the EO she was not defending.

    264:

    I don't see the point. He's already paid for the ticket, which is non-refundable, so he may as well wait for a week or two before he makes a decision.

    Maybe Feorag should stay home, however, possibly with power of attorney (however that works in Scotland) just in case Charlie becomes the next Peter Watts.

    265:

    You honestly think the Trump administration is capable of behaving that rationally? I'm glad I won't be at the Super Bowl myself, not even if the ticket prices have dropped dramatically.

    Hmm, using Paranoid Thought, perhaps there's a reason for that.

    (though actually it's because Texas won't be in it this year)

    266:

    I don't think the issue is the Administration's rationality so much as the general rationality of a situation where disorganized people are put in charge of a large organization.

    I expect a sequence of events, which from inside the Administration, look like this:

    1.) Tried their first executive order (organized by X) and learned that everyone inside and outside the government is organizing against it. Decide this is a learning experience in working with the rest of the government.

    2.) Try a new executive order, probably also organized by X. Discover that everyone hates that executive order too, even though it went through a more thorough process.

    3.) Note that they are disliked and that people are organizing against them. Try something forceful, like declaring martial law in Chicago, (organized by X) and discover it doesn't work either.

    4.) Fire X.

    5.) Bring in Y. If Y's suggestions work better than X's suggestions, keep Y, otherwise repeat steps 1-5.

    6.) Y consolidates his/her power. It is discovered that Y's approach has a decent success rate. Y is allowed to make a long term plan.

    7.) Y, working behind the scenes, makes it easier to hire the kind of DHS, Justice Dept, and Border Patrol agents Trump needs to enforce his views on immigrants and undocumented aliens. Now we have a group of people who share our views inside important agencies, and they can be transferred to other agencies as training cadre later.

    8.) Superbowl 2018.

    Note that this process could take a year or two. Meanwhile, if this disorganized bunch can throw together a Superbowl "event," plus a coordinated response in the three weeks they will have been in office on February 5th, 2017 I will be very, very surprised. As we've seen with the firing of the Attorney General tonight, nobody who works for the Administration is currently in charge of any cabinet department, and the lower-level, ideologically preferable hires for each department aren't in place yet.

    Also, I suspect there's a lot of behind the scenes logistical, staffing, and building that needs to be done to prepare for an "event" of this nature. There just hasn't been time.

    Even if something happens at the Superbowl there's nobody in place to take advantage of it. We'll end up with a badly written law, then a 3-4 month lag before anyone enforces it. (I'd far prefer a badly organized "event" this year to a well organized event next year, but I don't think we'll get that lucky. It's just too soon.)

    267:

    Wow. Read it now.

    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/big-data-cambridge-analytica-brexit-trump

    Just fucking wow. The same firm won both the Brexit vote and the U.S. election due to a new take on Big Data.

    268:

    And I almost forgot. Bannon is on their board.

    269:

    Yes, it is hopelessly optimistic. Trump's approval among Republicans is about 81%. Until that drops by a lot and/or he does something blatantly illegal, no impeachment proceedings.

    270:

    I'm not sure I agree with "hopelessly optimistic," but any serious impeachment effort is at least six months out, more likely a year. If Trump proves to be a loose cannon the real players will take care of the problem.

    271:

    Very very interesting

    Here in the UK it's similar, but nowhere near so bad, of course. Look at the sections of the country that "pay their way" - voted remain, whilst those that require subsidy usually voted "Leave" (Except Scotland, which voted "remain" ) The rural shires are deeply divided, with, usually, a narrow majority for "Leave"

    Places to watch: the two upcoming by-elections.

    272:

    That is deeply scary. As is the photo of the CA person sitting next to May ....

    Meanwhile, I repeat that I don't think there will be a "Fire", but there will be a night of the Long Knives, some time in the middle of 2018. After which it really will be too late.

    273:

    A "Denial Of Service" attack, or someone "really determined" to not have their movements over part of that period recorded?

    As an aside, it sort of makes me think of a subplot from Lilyhammer season 2, where Frank is caught speeding by a digital greed scamera, and subsequently uses the photo editting skills of one of his employees to frame an aquarobics instructor for the offence, and also for drinking whilst driving.

    274:

    Tim, or OGH (if you're not too busy), any pointers to the references on legal action ? Though a constant reader for the last 4-5 years, I seem to have missed this.

    Also, in other spaces: anyone know why you can't read cstross on twitter if logged in ? (It says "you are blocked from following @cstross and viewing @cstross's Tweets", and I am pretty sure I haven't done anything wrong, I think I've only ever tweeted half a dozen times) - I can read all his tweets if I am logged out!

    275:

    (4) LOLROFHMS!!

    "Capture Al Qa'eda" (I'll leave aside that I think you meant Da'esh); That's sort of like saying "capture all Southern Baptists in $state using only the electoral role for the state as a reference"!

    276:

    Practical differences:-

    1) In Scotland, Lillibet 1 is not "the sovereign", merely "the monarch", and her role is purely ceremonial. 2) Despite the beliefs of the UK Supreme Court and parliament, they do not actually have the right to pass laws which directly affect the sovereignty of Scotland without subjecting them to a popular plebiscite. 3) Leading on from (2) the UK parliament have repeatedly broken the terms of the Treaty of Union between England and Scotland.

    277:

    Your ball, your rules, but my opinion:-

    Catina Diamond and "her" socks show a number of behaviors which are not normally tolerated on any internet fora, regardless of your personal reasoning.

    I don't even bother with her nonsense any more because of the amount of it that is one or more of:- a) willfully obfuscated. b) condescending. c) gratuitously insulting. d) actively disruptive to ongoing discussions.

    278:

    In most of the EU, social democracy is the norm.

    So, your state railway company is still in public ownership, is it? (Look to the Netherlands or Germany: they've been privatized.) Or your critical infrastructure?

    Creeping privatization of state assets is one of the ways in which social democratic settlements are eroded. It's very advanced in the UK and USA — nearly complete — but you can see signs of it elsewhere in the EU.

    I'll grant you the privileging of sociopaths in management is also a problem, but one part of it is that sociopaths are willing to pursue profits above all else, and we've managed to create a global trade system in which profits above all else is the determinant of success or failure for a national economy.

    279:

    (2) is wrong - I think. Unless you are specifically referring to "The sovereignty of Scotland" - as opposed to internal UK-wide & Scottish-specific legislation, as enacted ever since 1707 & still being enacted, where the subjects are not specifically devolved to the latter. And, of course, the devolution Act itself.....

    280:

    Correct.

    I can cancel my plans to travel right up until check-in for departure. That gives me another 12 days to watch things escalate or come off the boil before I make up my mind.

    281:

    Hence why I said (3) as a separate item.

    282:

    I use an automatic blocklist for alt-right/gamergater accounts on twitter and it's been throwing false positives since the election. If you tell me your twitter handle I'll unblock you manually.

    283:

    Thanks ever so much - it's WavingDavid. I am sure you will reblock me if I misbehave (I won't, honest)

    284:

    Creeping privatization of state assets is one of the ways in which social democratic settlements are eroded

    I'm not so sure, often "privatization" means that the company is run as a private law corporation owned in full by the government (look at the wikipedia entry on Italian rail opeartor for a case). As long neither customers nor employees lose, no social-democratic settlement is eroded. The big problem is not privatization, is privatizing a monopoly leaving it a monopoly

    285:

    often "privatization" means that the company is run as a private law corporation owned in full by the government (look at the wikipedia entry on Italian rail operator for a case)

    Trenitalia (Italian Railways) looks to me as one case where you are getting the worst of two worlds, actually. The government split the Railways system in two: one would take care of "trains", the other of the infrastructure (rails, and I suppose stations). This did not really made the Trains part more efficient, economically sound, secure (we had at least two major disasters after the reorganization of the group), and their own "incestuous" relationship with the Rails company allegedly made things very difficult for competitors like Italo or Arenaways.

    286:

    In defence of CD:

    I like the otherness, sometimes can even glimpse the living flame through the smoke and sparks.

    Shine on.

    287:

    Trenitalia (Italian Railways) looks to me as one case where you are getting the worst of two worlds, actually. The government split the Railways system in two: one would take care of "trains", the other of the infrastructure (rails, and I suppose stations).

    In Finland, we have this, but not even competition. There are two government-owned companies, one owns the rails and the other operates the trains. Both have to turn in a profit, which creates some problems, because they do not play that well together.

    I'd prefer just one organization providing the rail service as infrastructure, not as something to profit from.

    288:

    This is all the fault of the madwoman from Grantham & her even madder follower, one N Ridley ... followed up by the utterly incompetent J Major. Their railway privatisation proposals were take up by the EU & used as a model ....

    Incidentally, the EU regs say that merely, the track, signals etc & the trains shall be separately accounted for, but it usually means, in practice, separate companies & the whole things's a disaster....

    289:

    I have no objection to beige liberal social-democracy, as long as there's enough social democracy in the mix.

    Well, yeah. In Finland, last year we "finally" got a right-wing government, with the addition of the populist-racist party. Some thought this was an improvement over the wide-ranging consensus cabinets (the previous one had in addition to many other parties both the Left party and the coservative Coaliotion party, for a while).

    What we got was a massive drive to cut from education, childcare and other things for the poor, and more money to companies close to the prime minister, plans to either privatize or at least move to companies much of the state's functions and tax breaks for the rich. In additition, the populist party forgot everything they promised except the suppression of the people of wrong colour.

    The only bright point in this is that the government has been so incompetent in governing (the prime minister is a businessman) that they have mostly just gone back and forth on what they really can do. It was not clear to most of them that even being in the cabinet does not give unlimited powers...

    290:

    Agreed, I can sometimes find something worthwhile and when it's too cryptic, I can scroll past, which I'd suggest to those suffering an allergic reaction to the entity.

    291:
    This is all the fault of the madwoman from Grantham & her even madder follower, one N Ridley ... followed up by the utterly incompetent J Major.

    I think Major should take all the blame. Even Thatch saw that rail privatisation would be a disaster and shied away from it.

    292:

    But at least you can choose between Italo and FS, fares went a bit lower and service was a bit better. Anyway, my point is that some well-managed privatizations doen't kill the social-democratic compromise.

    293:

    You can choose between Italo and FS (actually TrenItalia), for now.

    Last time I checked NTV (Italo) was not getting a lot of revenue and according to Legambiente train tariffs have been on the rise all over Italy - you may have also noticed the recent protests against increased tariffs for commuters.

    It's hard to stay in the black for railways, especially in a country like Italy (lots of geographical features that negatively impact wear&tear and travel times) and in my opinion this (just like healthcare) should be left to the State.

    294:

    Charlie, I have to agree with Dan; I don't think at this point you're at much risk at the border. You're a white, middle-aged male of reasonable means with a passport from a friendly country. I doubt there are many, if any, in the new administration who have any idea who you are. Mr. Trump himself seems to get his information from cable TV "news". He's reportedly no reader. His underlings are busy setting fire to the government; they might be more dangerous to you in a couple of years.

    Re firing of acting Attorney General Sally Yates: expect a lot more of this to happen as those of us with principles are faced with the choice of ending our careers or selling our souls. I'm glad at this point that I'm only a bit over a year from being able to retire, unless they fuck that up first. Also, I predict a showdown between SecDef Mattis and National Securitiy Advisor Flynn. That's a cage death match I'd pay to win, but Mattis would probably make it quick.

    295:
    Even grotty little petty-crook Juncker, from a "nation" less than 1/16th the size of London is better than the Donald....

    Look, I don't like Juncker. I even voted against him (I got the chance because my local parties, unlike British ones, are not cowards and liars).

    But:

  • Justify your absurd claims that he is a "petty crook".

  • Explain why the size of the country he was born in and represented in the past has any relevance to anything at all.

  • 296:

    oops, I meant "pay to watch"

    297:

    Re. Books for the times, requested by SFreader:

    Arendt also wrote Eichmann in Jerusalem, coining the term "the banality of evil," to describe the Nazi bureaucrat on trial. That book was critiqued in the recent Eichmann Before Jerusalem: The Unexamined Life of a Mass Murderer, by Bettina Stangneth, who shows Eichmann not as Arendt's colourless functionary, but a committed Nazi ideologue who pulled the wool over the eyes of the Israeli court and Arendt. Stangneth is good on the origins of post-war Neo-Nazi propaganda and Holocaust denialism in part in the salon which formed around Eichmann in Buenos Aires, and on the nature of the Nazi bureaucracy, where, despite the image of orderly efficiency, contempt for the rules was encouraged and rewarded if it served the cause.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/03/books/book-portrays-eichmann-as-evil-but-not-banal.html

    Woodward and Bernstein's All the President's Men, on the Watergate scandal(s), notable because the actual actions of the conspirators seem almost quaint by today's standards, most of the Washington Republican politicians and staffers at the time were genuine small-c conservatives who were genuinely shocked and appalled, and the weird but effective style of the book, where the authors narate their own actions in the third person.

    The collected essays of George Orwell, plus Homage to Catalonia, his account of the Spanish civil war, are a must read. (His rules for making tea are a bit iffy though).

    Thomas Frank's books ( What's the Matter with Kansas, One Market under God etc.) aren't uncontroversial or flawless but worth a look.

    Ditto Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi (Griftopia, Smells Like Dead Elephants), but he's a lot more fun.

    298:

    Overall, my point is that the rethoric of the "beige dictatorship", together with the rethoric of "carnage", just fuels the populists.

    299:

    Consider adding James Kwak's "Economism, bad economics and the rise of inequality" to that list, I consider it relevant because it describes the beginnings of the fork of economics that reactionaries use as a blunt instrument on anything that shows signs of being progressive.

    300:

    I was talking about Afghanistan circs 2001/2002, not the current situation, so not Daesh, but capture (or kill) all the Al Quaeda operatives Afghanistan AND THEN GO HOME.

    301:

    You noticed the second part of that post too, I hope.

    302:

    Charlie writes: If we ever reach the point where DHS have direct access to the NSA's take for vetting folks at the border, then it's fairly clear that civil rights are dead.

    Hate to tell you but.... One of the parting shots Obama gave as he shuffled out the door was to open NSA's data-pile to the rest of the intel community. So FBI, DEA, etc. - now will have unfiltered access. Worse, they are playing some semantic game about the access being before where the privacy protections apply - which I read as meaning: there are none. Not that the FISA court was a big impediment.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/stderr/2017/01/26/follow-up-a-security-question/

    303:

    You actually don't know what I think. Or the research I've done. Nowhere is particularly safe right now. As for resisting fascism as a member of many vulnerable groups I feel perfectly comfortable with the notion of fighting from a place of safety.

    304:

    Ok, accepted about terminology then, but my main point was that you're trying to do something like identifying all the baptists in California using only a copy of the state voters' role.

    305:

    Read my link at number 267. That's not as hard as you think. This is deeply, horribly scary stuff, and every bit as intrusive as you might imagine. Ugly. Just ugly.

    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/big-data-cambridge-analytica-brexit-trump

    Rounding up the Al Quaeda members in Afghanistan wouldn't have been difficult in 2001, as they all had non-Afghani passports, spoke Arabic with distinguishable accents, were shooting at U.S. troops, and were mainly clustered in Al Quaeda's training camps.

    306:

    To me, the most interesting and worrying aspect of Trump's Muslim immigration ban (aside from the misery it's causing, which shouldn't be minimised) is the intent to ignore and flout the court injunctions against it.

    The trajectory is:

    Nixon: I am the law! Congress and Courts: Nope. Nixon: Mistakes were made. I resign.

    Dubya: I am the law! Congress: Hail to the Chief! Courts: Nope. Dubya: Heh. OK, we'll stop doing those illegal things we weren't doing then.

    Trump: I am the Law! Congress: Uhhhhhhh. . .already? Courts: Nope. Trump: Fuck you courts! I am the Law!

    Despite all our hopes to the contrary, the Trump executive branch as a unit will plainly go full fascist if it isn't constrained by checks and balances. It lacks any effective internal constraint.

    If the courts fail to impose their judgements on the machinery of government in this case, and the junior and middle management of the immigration system go along with that as they have so far, that will embolden Trump, Bannon and co. to rule by fiat in much broader ways.

    307:

    Looks like it's going to pass 1,7 million as I watch.

    308:

    To be honest, several of the more evil sides of the Middle East are pretty much taking care of themselves. At the moment, the price that Saudi Arabia gets for its oil is lower than the cost of extracting it. As Saudi Arabia has few other foreign currency earning exports, it has a financial crisis on its hands, so will be most reluctant in future to spend much exporting Wahabi Islam around the region.

    Furthermore, selling arms to people who cannot pay for them isn't a going proposition, unless you feel the need to turn them into a puppet state of some sort. I predict that Saudi Arabia is going to be much less of a regional pest in future.

    Developing solar panels that work down into the red, even the infra red spectrum is a priority, as is developing good storage batteries. Combine these and you solve a lot of energy problems, and this in turn keeps oil prices low (as does the proliferation of fracking techniques). Low oil prices and international treaties limiting the use of fossil fuels will keep the irritating petro-states in the Middle East quiet for a long, long time.

    309:

    First, thank you to Eevin (@260) Backing Hitler: Consent and Coercion in Nazi Germany; Wrerite (@297) Woodward and Bernstein's All the President's Men [read], George Orwell essays plus Homage to Catalonia, Thomas Frank (What's the Matter with Kansas, One Market under God etc.) and Matt Taibbi (Griftopia, Smells Like Dead Elephants); and, Tim H (@299) James Kwak's "Economism, bad economics and the rise of inequality". I'll start with the local library.

    267: Troutwater – re: Cambridge Analytica

    Suggestion: Fill out a variety of psych/personality tests intermittently and differently (pretend you're a historical/literary character, or completely randomize responses), randomize website visiting, keep several different unrelated websites windows open at the same time. Big 5 is stable over long run, more so than some other tests, and I'm guessing that FB users don't want to give up their online lives.

    It's been over 10 years since some market analytics outfits have been tracking (and combining and processing and selling) online data on a per-user basis (person) and not just by device used. Back then the difficulty (co$t)was in data storage - all those clicks add up - plus consumer market data tends to be relatively stable on a big-picture scale - so data were dumped after about a year or so - therefore it may be possible to change your online profile.

    310:

    Yes, that article was ostensibly about the election... But as I read it what it really says is: the Nazis have a dossier on every person in America and the UK.

    311:

    Thank you Dodge Brothers and the Lochner era.

    I'm thinking the thieves are going to fall out.

    Since 2010 the populists GOP guys have not had to govern. They've had their plans and their thoughts, and their hopes and dreams.

    Turns out they don't all agree. Trump's authoritarian populism is in contrast to many other plans. The backbone of 'chamber of commerce' republicans is rabidly free trade. The Tea Party types are suppose to be draining the swamp and enacting policy goals the mainstream GOP has paid lip service to.

    312:

    I rather think that you may be over-estimating the usefulness of bafflegarb. After a couple of run-ins with this character, I simply skip all such posts. Yes, there's probably a meaning there but I also seem to smell a strong dose of arrogance in that we are expected to try to sift meaning from vague verbiage.

    It reminds me of a colleague of mine telling of his work translating a passably good yet infuriating philosopher from German to English; this chap had the habit of hugely over-describing simple things, so that a sentence that could be rendered "The man walked in through the doorway" was rendered as "The evolved naked ape-like mammalian life form locomoted bipedally upon his hind limbs through the hole in the wall closed with a mobile, hinged wooden flap that is sometimes referred to as a door".

    English as it is spoken exists because it is a medium of exchange of ideas. Bafflegarb inhibits this exchange of ideas, hence is notably less useful than English.

    I end up simply skipping the bafflegarb. About the only good thing to come out of this episode has been this wonderful new addition to the English language.

    313:

    But, she laid the ground with her hatred of railways then Major followed through, listeing to "total free market" ideologues, who "thought" railways were just like airlines ... And who also wanted to close them all down whilst ripping them off.

    314:

    Juncker is exerting more power than that of London (politically) quite possibly more power than that of the UK. Who elected him? Some career politicians - it's things like Juncker that are making the populist right-wing revolt happen, simply so that some of them can stay on the gravy-train. And yes, he is a financial crook, involved in dodgy dealings, or so the boss reliably informs me.

    315:

    Now 1,704,534. I looked away for a second or two and missed the turnover.

    316:
    About the only good thing to come out of this episode has been this wonderful new addition to the English language.

    Is it a new coining or a misspelling?

    317:

    ...what it really says is: the Nazis have a dossier on every person in America and the UK.

    That's certainly true (and very scary) but there ar other implications too, the first being that there is a much more effective way than ordinary propaganda to make people vote for something that is bad for them. This is more wide-ranging than mere dictatorship or fascism; it is a problem regardless of who originated the bad idea.

    Second, the left can also get the same information on rightwing individuals and will hopefully do this immediately. I wonder how accurately this kind of big data can identify a police officer, for example, or a dominionist Christian?

    The third implication has to do with why Trump filed for his Presidential reelection campaign already; he doesn't want Cambridge Analytics to get hired out from under him. (There are other reasons for this as well.)

    318:

    And still clocking nicely. I expect it to reach 2 million some time tomorrow. The important thing here is to: GET EVERYBODY YOU KNOW TO SIGN IT - please?

    319:

    Juncker is exerting more power than that of London (politically) quite possibly more power than that of the UK. Who elected him?
    The MEP's of the largest party in the European Parliament, the EPP, as you well know. You know, the exact same system that elected May. Unlike May they even said they were going to do it before the election.

    And yes, he is a financial crook, involved in dodgy dealings, or so the boss reliably informs me.
    Details?

    320:

    Oh, come on Greg, that's disingenuous as hell. He was elected in the same manner Cameron was.

    321:

    That is confirmation of my fears, rather than a hope, actually. So the factions disagree. So what? So did Adolf & one E Röhm .... In spite of his army-officer background & role in extirpating Spartacists, Röhm was (or claimed to be) partly "socialist" & wanted an attack (by the SA, natch) on the corrupt industrialists that Adolf had been cosying up to. We know how that ended ... note that the sweep included, very conveniently, lots of Adolf's other political enemies - look up Gregor Strasser f'rinstance.

    Hence my predictions for next June/July.

    You have to remember that the Reichstag fire was a very convenient accident, but that after "Long Knives" it didn't matter, anyway.

    322:

    Klamath falls? Sorry if I'm laughing - my Eldest daughter lives there with her husband, and dogs, and cat, and books.

    I should find some way to put y'all in touch, if you'd like. (And yes, of course she's a fan, though gafiated.)

    mark

    323:

    After reading the below, started wondering how many folks originally from the targeted countries are currently working at major US hi-tech corps. If they feel threatened enough to leave, who's going to fill their spots, or will they and their jobs (and income taxes - personal and corporate) just be relocated to friendlier countries?

    https://www.inverse.com/article/27161-iran-scientists-trump-muslim-ban-united-states-executive-order

    324:

    Ha, I'm original from near enough there. Great swimming pool there.

    325:

    The thing is, they were within a country without a long democratic tradition, only ~10 years out from a much more authoritarian system whose levers of powers were shakier.

    They may try, but short of very extreme actions, they lack the votes to exercise total power, and exist within a system.

    I predict Trump's temper tantrums to increase once he gets more noes. He literally doesn't understand checks and balances are designed to prevent his will from being passed. Steve Bannon is going to be forced in front of the senate if he wants to remain on the NSC (since it does require senate confirmation).

    Let alone crazier stuff I hear. Like supporting Calexit because it helps out their electoral map. If Calexit was allowed, it will be chaos, and there are no good ends.

    326:

    I'm not a Conservative supporter but I did marry one (thus avoiding any risk of comfy echo chamber), and feel that there's a little bit of contextual forgetfulness going on here...

    Remember that in 1979, Britain was seriously screwed up. Totally, utterly broke, inflation well into double figures, economy desperately in need of investment, and nowhere near enough money to do it. North Sea Oil has come on stream, and turned the GBP into a petrocurrency - which screws British exports because of raised prices. Unemployment is growing, and will continue to grow.

    We're a nation where the vast majority of children leave school at age 16; only 10% go on to do a degree. And we're still trying to keep up in a Cold War - 75,000 troops in Germany, a Navy that needs to keep the Atlantic convoys running in the face of hundreds of Soviet submarines, and an RAF that needs to cover both BAOR as well as the GIUK gap.

    The public sector has seen pay drop well behind inflation, the Telecomms infrastructure is still electromechanical, we're only just away from using Gasometers. We want to replace wartime-era and badly-made prefab hospitals and schools; and industrial confrontation is rife between stratified and incompetent management, and the Trades Unions suicidal in their insistence on demarcation and protectionism.

    So, where does the money come from? Fifteen years of trying to do it through taxes has failed, trying to centrally plan it has failed (remember INMOS, Alvey, etc). Failures have been reinforced while successes starved, because politics.

    Flogging off the family silver is unattractive, but I wonder what other options there were? You don't get more competitiveness without better education - expansion of tertiary places, more teachers and schools. But that costs. You might have nurses on every ward, but the treatment facilities haven't moved on from the 1960s and the NHS will eat everything offered. You might want to focus on cleaner and cheaper energy, but NUM members are willing to fight, and on one occasion kill, to keep unprofitable pits open.

    Meanwhile, British Rail is underinvested, dirty, and late. It's a running joke throughout the UK - look at "Not the Nine O'Clock News" or similar to see how little respect is given it.

    So, we can disagree with Thatcher's ideology-driven belief that the private sector would do a more efficient job of providing the service, but what evidence was available at the time to say she was wrong? Because from her perspective, the public sector was doing a bloody awful job of running things.

    We can disagree that things shouldn't have got that way by 1979, but successive governments of the 1960s and 1970s had put her there. What else was there to do, that wouldn't just carry on the stop/go policy changes that led to the three-day week, or the Winter of Discontent?

    327:

    Regarding all of the analytics work, it reminds me of a OGH's prediction (sorry, can't put my finger on it for a link, but I think it was in one of his state-of-publishing pieces) that one day soon books would read the reader as much as the other way around. Seems like we've arrived at that station a little more quickly than we thought we might. (A common problem around here . . .)

    328:

    We've passed the 300 comments mark, so maybe time for some good news ... Canadian research team shows that opiate withdrawal can be eased:

    Excerpt:

    'Here, we identify the pannexin-1 (Panx1) channel as a therapeutic target in opiate withdrawal. We show that withdrawal from morphine induces long-term synaptic facilitation in lamina I and II neurons within the rodent spinal dorsal horn, a principal site of action for opiate analgesia. Genetic ablation of Panx1 in microglia abolished the spinal synaptic facilitation and ameliorated the sequelae of morphine withdrawal. Panx1 is unique in its permeability to molecules up to 1 kDa in size and its release of ATP.'

    http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nm.4281.html?WT.feed_name=subjects_neuroscience

    Opiate usage and death from opiate overdose has been trending upwards, so the above if proved in trial (at best in a few years) would be huge on so many fronts. And since a physical location also seems relevant / identified, this may provide a path for either/combination of chemical and 'optical' intervention.

    329:

    Found it (and it was better than I had recalled):

    "In the future, readers will not go in search of books to read. Feral books will stalk readers, sneak into their ebook libraries, and leap out to ambush them. Readers will have to beat books off with a baseball bat; hold them at bay with a flaming torch: refuse to interact: and in extreme cases, feign dyslexia, blindness or locked-in syndrome to avoid being subjected to literature."

    http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/10/polemic-how-readers-will-disco.html

    330:

    why Trump filed for his Presidential reelection campaign already; he doesn't want Cambridge Analytics to get hired out from under him. (There are other reasons for this as well.)

    It also allows him to get trademarks on election slogans.

    331:

    To be honest, several of the more evil sides of the Middle East are pretty much taking care of themselves. At the moment, the price that Saudi Arabia gets for its oil is lower than the cost of extracting it. As Saudi Arabia has few other foreign currency earning exports, it has a financial crisis on its hands, so will be most reluctant in future to spend much exporting Wahabi Islam around the region.

    This has been stated around here before. Where is this from? From my knowledge and research SA oil is about the cheapest to extract on the planet. $10/b or less. Their economic problems come from setting up a social welfare system based on $40 or more (maybe $60 or even higher) in profits to fund everything.

    Do you know of anything that contradicts this table? http://marketrealist.com/2016/01/crude-oils-total-cost-production-impacts-major-oil-producers/

    332:

    Sounds like the plot from a Genevieve Cogman novel...

    333:

    Well, I've just caught up, and have a number of comments. Rather than one per post, I'm going to have a longer, single one.

    First, Cantina/MinVera/Wodan: I think I'd be interested in at least some of what she has to say, but the group slang, mixed with her being from the UK, is just too complex to parse. Since I normally read this on my lunch and/or coffee break, it's too much time. And her presentation drives me nuts, with all the extra spacing and lines.

    Btw, she's not the only Pagan here (though I am in the US). Back in the seventies, I decided that being a science fiction fan, and a socialist, of Jewish ancestry, wasn't a small enough, persecuted enough minority, so I became a Pagan. Pence wouldn't like me....

    Second: Trumpolini and Bannon may have a Reichstag Fire in their minds... but. They're trying shock and awe... except that they really aren't competent. He still thinks he's been elected CEO of the USA, incorporated... and is trying to run it by fiat.

    This is a very bad idea... because the GOP in Congress like their own power very much, and that, they'll fight tooth and nail. He's starting to fracture the GOP, and that's what's likely to get him impeached, or threatened with it (in which case I expect "you can't fire me, I quit!".)

    Even more - it's uniting people who would have been uncomfortable with each other. And it's forcing people to pay attention, even if it's only because it's like watching a train wreck. Hell, I was at the doc's this morning for a shot, and the tech, probably late twentysomething, told me she'd never paid any attention before, but can't stop watching now. And with each outrageous Order, thousands of folks are pouring into the streets, and that friends, is when They start paying attention, not to mindless twits, er, tweets.

    W, who wasn't exactly a 60W bulb, had Cheney; as evil as he is, no one ever accused him of being stupid. But Pence does not have that cache, if only because Trumpolini must be The Smrtest.Truly scary thought: is Francisco Franco Pence encouraging Bannon, so that both T & B go down in flames, he's in power?

    Which brings up a happy thought: we know the Bush family isn't loathe to call in political favors (Justice Thomas, sitting on Bush v. Gore in Dec of 2000, WHILE HIS WIFE WAS WORKING FOR THE BUSH TRANSITION TEAM)... and if it's an impeachment, the Chief Justice presides in the Senate... and Roberts was appointed by W, and none of the Bushes like Trumpolini.

    A few last points: people are looking at the firing of the Acting AG like Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre.

    I really don't see him making it, even to the '18 elections.

    Dean and his 50 state agenda were evicted, because Rahm fucking Emmanual didn't like him.

    And it was reported last week, during the Dem retreat, that the liberal/left had won, and was talking scorched earth to the Orange One. Filibusters, delays, and party line votes.

    mark

    334:

    Hah! I just looked at google news, and the top headline is that the Dems boycotted the hearings for Mnuhcin (Treasury) and Price (HHS), resulting in a lack of a quorum... so no vite to advance out of committee.

    mark

    335:

    Although I agree with what you wrote, I don’t think it’s the whole truth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

  • By your numbers, 19% of Americans live in rural areas. Further, about 56% live in metropolitan areas of greater than 1 million people and 67% of Americans live in metropolitan areas greater than 500,000. (I’ve posted the wikipedia link above, but you’ll have to add them up yourselves). Most of the Rust Belt is the remainder. That is where the swing voters are in this election. Perhaps there’s no saving these areas? Especially if you actually close prisons (which have in many cases replaced factories as the single source of employment).

  • Now let’s bring up the county numbers. Clinton won 57 counties. Let’s call metro areas with fewer than 1 million people small towns and those greater than 1 million big cities. Let’s assume 17 of those were either rural or small towns (I don’t have time to find this number myself). This means that of the 53 big cities in the US spanning multiple counties, she only won 40 counties.

  • This brings up the heart of the issue: several big cities are dying as well. Can these deaths not be reversed? Can’t you find enough investment in Indianapolis to encourage immigrants to set up shop? It wouldn’t have taken many people to switch Indiana. Same with Columbus and Cleveland in Ohio. Same with Philadelphia (Yes, I’m serious. Look at the population growth rate, it’s anemic).

  • Yes, the culture you’re talking about is dying. But it’s not dying fast enough. I sound like a broken record on this, but retiring boomers moving from New York City or Los Angeles to Jacksonville, Florida, Phoenix, Arizona, or Savannah, Georgia are going to play a huge role in allocating electoral votes in 2020.

  • 336:

    Bannon expecting ( & looking for ) war soon Ties in with his ultra-christian views, apparently

    337:

    You are assuming an election in 2020 - my aren't we optimistic!

    338:

    You're right, that number (I've seen anywhere from $45-$70/b) is the number at which SA has an overall budget deficit, not just the pure cost of extraction. SA's main problem is that it has used oil$$ to stave off political discontent for decades. Even running at a deficit, SA can continue on for some time, but they'll be depleting their reserves of foreign currency to do so.

    BTW, Russia's in the same boat.

    339:

    The third implication has to do with why Trump filed for his Presidential reelection campaign already; he doesn't want Cambridge Analytics to get hired out from under him

    You all didn't notice the mention that Bannon is on the company board near the end of the article?

    As for the reelection filing, from what I've read, it also prevents opposition PACs from working against the administration or they risk their tax exempt status.

    340:

    You are assuming an election in 2020 - my aren't we optimistic!

    You've said this before and I'm sure you think it's going to play out this way but I have a suspicion that maybe you don't get how our SCHEDULED elections are incredibly ingrained into our cultural DNA. Elections in the UK aren't fixed on the calendar like ours. Maybe that plays into your thoughts. In the US I can tell you the date of the presidential election in 2100 if I want to look it up.

    Also elections are run by the states. Seriously. To stop them would require someone to shutdown the process in at least 20 to 30 states. And that would be a tall order.

    No matter what you or I think of the R's in Congress they are very unlikely to want to shut down the Constitutional process that has all of this running.

    As to armed conflict, yes DT is the commander in chief. But the military of the US has well over 100 years of a very strong tradition of not getting involved within the borders of the US.

    To stop the elections in 2020 would require a lot of power structures to cooperate with DT and as of right now he seems to want to piss them all off. Even his incoming cabinet members.

    341:

    Two people at work are going to a conference in Washington this weekend- next week, in a conference building a kilometre from the White house.

    I have mentioned that they might like to be careful about going outside, given what might happen over the next few days, but it doesn't quite feel right yet to be briefing them about surviving an active shooter or a riot. We'll see.

    342:

    Sounds like the plot from a Genevieve Cogman novel... Or Stanislaw Lem, e.g The Star Diaries

    343:
  • Regarding the cryptic crossword, it puts me more to the mind of the optimistic child enthusiastically digging through the manure assuming there must be a pony.

  • Trying to be aware of intellectual blindspots is always a good thing and a diversity of inputs is good but some curation is helpful. A challenge to medical orthodoxy can be welcome but antivax is lethal bunk.

  • I think most of us here red-case our cherished beliefs, looking to see where deeply-held assumptions could be wrong. I think most of us would be more embarrassed to win an argument with the wrong facts than to be proven wrong with the correct ones; we'd sooner be correct (or corrected) than right.

    344:

    Rail privatisation wasn't even on the cards in 1979. The 80s were well under way before the privatisation madness got going, and they started with all the easy things. The suggestion of doing the railways popped up every now and then but was always immediately replied to with "who the fuck is gonna want to buy it?", and it wasn't until Major's government in the 90s that ideology finally got the better of common sense to the extent that an arrangement that consumed vastly more government subsidy than the existing one was nevertheless seen as an improvement because of the magic word "private". Thatcher hated the railways but it required a government that had zero expectation of winning the next election in any case to care so little for its survival as to actually do the deed.

    In the 1950s we had the "Modernisation Plan" which was an utter disaster because of the mindbogglingly stupid way it was carried out: give the railways an enormous sum of money and expect "modernisation" to happen by magic even though nobody had any clear idea of what it should entail and there was no bloody planning worth a wank. So we got things like vast freight yards being built to handle traffic that no longer existed - but almost complete failure at the far more important task of eliminating unfitted freight stock, whose continued existence buggered the result of other attempts at improvement for the next twenty years plus. And a bit later, the sensible idea of buying untried diesel designs in lots of ten to see if they were any good or not being overtaken by "dieselise NOW!!" ideology and the orders expanded to hundreds even before the initial ten had been delivered, leading to disaster when they didn't work (with a subplot of giving a lot of the work to NBL in a desperate attempt to stop them going down the tubes, which ended up having the reverse effect because NBL were shit at building diesels and the expense of trying to cope with their own incompetence killed them off). So later governments took the view that "railways can't be trusted with money" (of course it could never have been government's fault that things went wrong) and starved them of resources - further encouraged by the corruption of Marples and his road interests. They actually did remarkably well given the constraints they were subjected to, but it was rather pissing in the wind given the media's insistence on bashing the railways at every possible opportunity and turning every possible item of credit into another excuse to take the piss and present it in a negative light.

    In the 80s we had the saga of the APT: remarkable technological innovation done on a shoestring, which was within an ace of being ready for service - until the media began to take notice of it, completely ignored every single positive aspect and turned it into a laughing stock by blaming the alcoholic queasiness of tipsy journalists on the technology of the train. So the rail-hating Thatcher pulled the plug and it was left to the Italians to polish the rough edges off the technology and then sell it back to us under privatisation.

    Rail privatisation essentially amounts to government repeating the same mistakes as the Modernisation Plan, just under a different ideological banner.

    345:

    I'm actually feeling somewhat more optimistic since last weekend. There were 7000 people protesting at LAX on Sunday, in an environment where all the parking for 1/2 mile around is paid, on less than 24 hours notice. Protesting at an airport has to be very inconvenient, and where were the counter-protesters?

    Trump's support looks fairly soft to me. I guess we'll see if the trend of no counter-protesters continues.

    346:

    "In the future, readers will not go in search of books to read. Feral books will stalk readers, sneak into their ebook libraries, and leap out to ambush them. Readers will have to beat books off with a baseball bat; hold them at bay with a flaming torch: refuse to interact: and in extreme cases, feign dyslexia, blindness or locked-in syndrome to avoid being subjected to literature."

    And this might even be fairly easy to implement. Richard Dawkins, I believe, experimented with evolving his biomorphs to look more attractive to the viewer in each generation. The idea is taken further by "Evolving Line Drawings" by Ellie Baker and Margo Selzer:

    This paper explores the application of interactive genetic algorithms to the creation of line drawings. We have built a system that starts with a collection of drawings that are either randomly generated or input by the user. The user selects one such drawing to mutate or two to mate, and a new generation of drawings is produced by randomly modifying or combining the selected drawing(s). This process of selection and procreation is repeated many times to evolve a drawing. A wide variety of complex sketches with highlighting and shading can be evolved from very simple drawings. This technique has enormous potential for augmenting and enhancing the power of traditional computer-aided drawing tools, and for expanding the repertoire of the computer-assisted artist.

    Look at page 9, and you'll see that the program can do human faces. So now we extend it to do cat faces, and indeed cat bodies. I was going to say they should be 3-d and photorealistic, but that's probably not necessary. People love stylised cats like http://cdn.litlepups.net/2016/05/26/small_birthday-kitten-cute-cat-art-greeting-card-zazzle.jpg or http://files.site-fusion.co.uk/webfusion94787/image/tabbycatgetwell.jpg or even http://www.shirleyscards.co.uk/cardwebsiteimages/web_images/birthday/Cute-Cat-Aperture-Card.jpg. You don't need very many parameters to describe the third of these.

    So we implement a "generator" site which sends each new generation out onto the Web, and uses whatever dirty SEO and social-media tricks its authors can think of to spread the images far and wide. As with all evolution, we also need a fitness function. This, I suppose would be something like a Google image search, which scans the Web to see how many instances of each image it can find. Probably good to weight these by the rankings of the sites they've got to. The fitness function then feeds back to the generator.

    Words and plots are harder, but you don't need terribly many parameters to specify simple story arcs, so could try evolving these under audience pressure too. To generate descriptions of the cats and their actions, treat the mapping from pictures of cats to their description as a statistical machine translation problem, using children's picture books as the corpus: language A is the illustrations, and language B, the text.

    And the result, yea even unto the nth generation, will be a deluge of cuteness that makes My Little Pony feel like a warthog.

    347:

    I did, but Bannon could leave the board for any number of reasons.

    348:

    If Bannon is already on the board, it seems likely that others on it will be fellow travellers etc. Thus your objection is a bit weak.

    349:

    Rail is booming in Britain since privatisation -- the number of passenger-kilometres has doubled since the early 1990s after stagnating for half a century despite the increase in population over that time.

    https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/displayreport/report/html/21c19868-5153-4d1c-8157-c1606b0ebe50

    The rail operators are doing SOMETHING right somewhere otherwise the passengers would be using other ways to make their journeys and commutes etc. There are never enough trains or seats and the ticket price is perceived to be too high but the journeys are being made.

    350:

    First, Cantina/MinVera/Wodan: I think I'd be interested in at least some of what she has to say, but the group slang, mixed with her being from the UK, is just too complex to parse.

    It might help to treat the style as in part a rather unusual form of managed operational security, and to think like a Bayesian, and keep your priors very very very flexible. The complex (often weaved) jokes and paper references and other links are often quite fun and fascinating and educational in this light.

    For SFreader: Microbes can help explain the evolution of host altruism Here we propose that microbes that manipulate their hosts to act altruistically could be favoured by selection, and may play a role in the widespread occurrence of altruism.

    Hybrid drones (dragonflies!) for real: Equipping Insects for Special Service "This system pushes the boundaries of energy harvesting, motion sensing, algorithms, miniaturization and optogenetics, all in a system small enough for an insect to wear."

    For WS: Using the power of the marketplace for good (cough): Seafood prices reveal impacts of a major ecological disturbance We offer an alternative approach using a market counterfactual that is immune to contamination from feedbacks in the coupled system. Natural resource prices can thus be a means to assess the significance of an ecological disturbance.

    351:

    Is it a new coining or a misspelling?

    I think of it as a slightly more pejorative version of bafflegab. There are certainly more hits for your spelling than mine.

    352:

    It might help to treat the style as in part a rather unusual form of managed operational security, and to think like a Bayesian, and keep your priors very very very flexible.

    That's what I do. Sometimes I get it, sometimes I don't. Remember that she has had a badly managed contact with Predecessor technology, and is no longer completely human. She will get better when the stars are ripe.

    353:

    Did any of your feminist guest writers react positively to her? I seem to recall the reverse. [1]

    Please don't do this, it's insulting to suggest Host would allow us hoi polloi to insult his personal guests.

    If you check (which is possible), you'll discover that barring one little spat (with a male author and it was a joke gone wrong, 100% my fault) I at least attempted to be much more direct / cogent, respectful of the posts (i.e. only commented if I'd read / researched their work and about their work) and kept from spamming. I got a few polite responses: given they were also 'on the job' advertising their works, I wouldn't expect them to massively engage with someone as random as me.

    I was fairly strict on this matter - Host likes occasional whacky stuff (and with the metrics pointed at places like this, there's always rhyme and reason to them), but with guests I at least tried to be respectful.

    Aside from that, reading my posts without a large dose of "this is a deliberate non-standard schema" will get you into all kinds of holes. The largest one assuming that we're not well versed in modern feminism etc and aren't doing something else or that being liked is certainly not part of it[1].

    ~

    192

    I vacillate. Fear not so much (alien), more something else. You might try Azazel. c.f. The Atonement and the Scapegoat: Leviticus 16 by Dr. Kenneth Mathews The Exchange, April 2014.

    351

    Digested, thank you.

    I notice that some UK supermarkets are sourcing out of Honduras instead of Thailand, which if it is an ethical response (ho-hum, would have to research) is somewhat meaningful. This might be random back-ground data.

    It's all too late though -

    Last month a multinational team of scientists reported an alarming finding – a very large “dead zone” has appeared in the bay. Apart from sulphur-oxidising bacteria and marine worms, few creatures can live in these oxygen-depleted waters15. This zone already spans some 60,000 sq km and appears to be growing16.

    Bay of Bengal: depleted fish stocks and huge dead zone signal tipping point Guardian 31st Jan 2017.

    While people are navel gazing at the USA show, real food aid is going to be required. And Bangladesh is always the flash point for these models.

    ~

    On #192, pattern what's happening around Shadow (psychology) (although, yes, this is a largely outmoded and more literary than actual psychological tool), 9/11 Patriot Act and now the current situation (where the complete control of House / Senate and so forth being far more important).

    The current WH moves are looking more and more like predator threat displays by which the cold-blooded sharks are getting less and less amused by (Pharma lost ~$25 bil market cap, tech top 5 $32 bil or so: these are not numbers you can really ignore) - the Bannon angle isn't really covering the Oathkeepers / Border Unions / certain elements of police / FBI (The Fbi has quietly investigated white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement Intercept, 31st Jan 2017 - which is old news. Reading the long form might spark your memory over the Juggaloes, however), that's someone elses' domain.

    So, he's got alt-R KEK and Breitbart and the old Digg / die-hard Libertarian / ex-Randians / Goldbugs / Preppers (who are also split - some still love Alex Jones (which is still being touted as a possible in: With ALEX JONES I will head INFOWARS DC News Bureau & apply to be White House Correspondent for INFOWARS - I'm excited about the opportunity J Corsi, 30th Jan, Twitter link).

    But think back to 9/11. National Consciousness reshaping stuff - with a PATRIOT ACT hot-to-trot.

    If you want a truthful opinion: I think Trump winning is Chaos, but not how you'd expect.

    Ironically, the question might be if they're actually cold-blooded enough. One thing about Bush's lot: they didn't appear to require chemical enhancement and they certainly didn't seem to care about the odd million deaths or so.

    Trump?

    Strikes me as squeamish, although his sons' are not.

    [1] No-one's going to come save me, we can nose wiggle, but we're on the lists. [2] Women lead protests are a thing of beauty, so we watch, faces pressed to the tank's glass and pine.

    354:
    She will get better when the stars are ripe.

    Well, that's an interesting slip of the finger.

    Let's see...

    Something very nearly not reaches out and wraps a caul around a bloated, expanding star, just before it can seed itself as a supernova, or degenerate into a black hole, and drops it into a pocket for a late afternoon snack.

    355:

    Rubbish.

    Juncker - spy scandal & financial corruption OK?

    We do not elect our PM's, we vote for individual MP's, which is why Stella has a majority of voer 20 000, though virtually none of them would want to go anywhere near Corbyn - including me!

    356:

    What, like drive into work along our crowded and congested roads, then park their car in one of many completely full car parks?

    357:

    Yes, since "Privatisation" the state subsidy to railways has more than doubled, in some cases, more than trebled, because it isn't a nasty inefficient state/nationalised industry. ( Cough - even when some services are run by other countries' state railways, like DB, NS & FS ... ( I kid you not )

    358:

    For reference for why the Guardian isn't just running the usual Ecological bad news story:

    Marine 'dead zones' contain no oxygen. Until now, there have been only three major identified dead zones – two in the eastern tropical Pacific (off Peru/Chile and Mexico) and one in the Arabian Sea. The newfound dead zone in BoB joins this list, according to a joint study by National Institute of Oceanography (NIO), Goa, India; University of Southern Denmark and the Max Planck Institute for Marine Microbiology in Bremen, Germany.

    "If the BoB does turn completely anoxic, and I suspect it will happen in future, global biogeochemical fluxes and nitrogen cycle will be substantially affected, and change the community structure at depth," he says. "However, it will probably not have any implications for India because we know that Arabian Sea OMZ operates anaerobically but has little effect on surface processes."

    'Dead zone' found in Bay of Bengal Nature India, Dec 12th 2016

    ~

    You'll also note that the The Gulf of Mexico Dead Zone is "only" 6-7,000 m2. Compared to 60k2 will give you a hint of the difference in scale.

    Put another way: I'd start those insect farms like last year or so.

    359:

    Square Miles / Kilometers square.

    Copy paste error there.

    360:

    Why not? You insult all the rest of us, willy-nilly.

    Also, just for once, you were making sense, until this: So, he's got alt-R KEK and Breitbart and the old Digg / die-hard Libertarian / ex-Randians / Goldbugs / Preppers alr-r KEK (?) the old Digg (?) Preppers (?) Life is too short to look all of this crap up, in the probably vain hope that it means something.

    P.S. You are on the E coast (ish) of the USSA, are you not, from your posting times?

    361:

    Yes, I know, and I know also that the enthusiasts for privatisation like to make the leap from "more people are using trains" to "more people are using trains because of privatisation", but it would be more accurate to say "more people are using trains in spite of privatisation", for the very reasons you cite: privatisation, by encouraging the acquisition of short trains in place of long ones while making it almost impossible to improve the infrastructure, and by demanding profits, has caused or exacerbated those problems, and if the privatisation enthusiasts' proposition is expressed as "more people are using trains because of inadequate accommodation and sky-high fares" its illogicality becomes obvious.

    It makes a lot more sense to look at the same factor which was the principal cause of fewer people using trains to begin with: the state of road transport. Increasing traffic and congestion as the road network reaches saturation, not being able to park at the far end, outrageous insurance costs for young drivers making them unable to afford to run a car, higher cost of fuel and of repairing faults, and so on... in the post-war years as driving became more convenient more people started using cars instead of trains, and now that it is becoming more of a burden they are moving back again.

    362:

    Note: I'm really confused by the quotation that However, it will probably not have any implications for India because we know that Arabian Sea OMZ operates anaerobically but has little effect on surface processes.

    This has to be a misquotation or something else (?? fish stocks are already depleted ??):

    The analysis of annual catches per boat for 13 major groups of large pelagic fish species (Yellowfin tuna, Longtail tuna, Kawakawa, Stripped bonito, Frigate tuna, other tuna, Skipjack, Kingfish, Queenfish, Barracuda, Cobia, Sailfish and Large jacks) elucidated a negative trend with declining medians and 25–75% quartiles of annual landings of the past 20 years (figure 6). In comparing the 1990s and 2000s, annual catches became lower and less variable during the most recent decade. Overall, the habitat compression driven by the Omani shelf hypoxia has two components: a seasonal oxycline shoaling and nested in an interdecadal trend.

    The Omani shelf hypoxia and the warming Arabian Sea Department of Marine Science and Fisheries, CAMS, Sultan Qaboos University, Oman, 2015 - note, Word Doc, autodownload, so Host's software might spit it out.

    http://omansea.org/index.php

    You might be witnessing extreme snark / depression, hard to tell.

    363:

    alr-r KEK (?) the old Digg (?) Preppers (?)

    ALT-RIGHT = THE NAZIS (NEO, MODIFIED ETC)

    KEK = THAT FROG THING, REMEMBER

    DIGG = SOCIAL MEDIA SITE POPULAR WITH CONSERVATIVE / LIBERTARIANS WHO THEN MOVED TO REDDIT

    PREPPERS = PEOPLE WHO THINK THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS RUN BY THE NWO AND THE (FINANCIAL) APOCALYPSE IS ABOUT TO OCCUR

    RANDIANS = PEOPLE WHO LOVE AYN RAND (SUCH AS MANY GOP MEMBERS)

    GOLD / SILVER BUGS = PEOPLE WHO THINK THE DOLLAR WILL CRASH, HORDE THEIR SAVINGS IN ACTUAL BULLION (NOT PAPER!), BIG THING IN THE USA.

    ANYTHING ELSE?

    364:

    There was certainly a takeup of car ownership after WWII that limited growth in rail travel but that saturated a long time ago -- by 1980 everyone who wanted or needed a car had one, pretty much. For many their daily commutes are better by car (door to door journeys on their own schedule, not sharing their car with other people, less chance of picking up an opportunistic infection etc.)

    The number of rail passenger-kilometres only started to rise sharply after privatisation, resulting in roughly a doubling since the early 1990s. That increase appears to be driven by longer trips due to better services and faster trains to the point where thousands of people commute from Birmingham into London every day, not something that could be achieved in the old days when that would have been a six hour round trip. The numbers might have been even higher with publicly-held rail under the thumb of assorted governments, each new-broom transport minister making random changes to assert their position and year-on-year investment dependent on the whims of various Chancellors. I somehow doubt it though.

    365:

    Ah, right.

    Spot the super-depressed scientist.

    p 18, 37, 60 (killer numbers, real point), 61, 63 (for the killer quote: 1m rise: destroy the entire Sundarbans), 80 (ffs they're taking all the shark as well), 82 (holy crap you did what to shark stocks and took what lowest weights), 83 (now there's your surprise, massive crash), 122 (killer quote: Fish protein as a % of total protein supply 63%).

    ii Sustainable Management of Fisheries Resources of the Bay of Bengal Compilation of national and regional workshop reports Bangladesh Fisheries Research Institute 2010 - note, again, weird format, might get spit out. WARNING: LONG PDF, 122 pages.

    http://iwlearn.net/iw-projects

    TL;RD

    Tell Trump and the GOP to get their knickers sorted out, they might want to look at this one.

    366:

    My take is that The Rump's chief advisor essentially has access to his own Intelligence apparat, and may end up on the NSC, bumping traditional members who have more business there. Why would he leave something so useful to him?

    Who would've guessed that a real life Bond villain would be such a shlub?

    367:

    If you all are looking for a Grand Unified Theory of Everything to explain what is going on in the world you won't do much better than the "carbon bubble":

    https://thenearlynow.com/trump-putin-and-the-pipelines-to-nowhere-742d745ce8fd#.ar2kaee50

    For high-carbon industries to continue to be attractive investments, then, they must spin a tale of future growth. They must make potential investors believe that even if there is a Carbon Bubble, it is decades away from popping — that their high profits today will continue for the foreseeable future, so their stock is worth buying.

    How would you maintain this confidence?

    You’d dispute climate science — making scientists’ predictions seem less certain in the public mind— and work to gut the capacity of scientists to continue their work (by, for instance, defunding NASA’s Earth Sciences program).

    You’d attack global climate agreements, making them look unstable and weak, and thus unlikely to impact your businesses.

    You’d attack low-carbon competitors politically, attempting to portray the evidence that they can replace high-carbon industries as fraudulent (or at least overly idealistic).

    You’d use every leverage point to slow low-carbon industrial progress — for example, by continuing massive subsidies to oil and gas companies, while attacking programs to develop new energy sources.

    You’d support putting a price on carbon, since this makes you look moderate and engaged, but you’d make sure that the definition of a “reasonable” price on carbon was so low and took so long to implement that it was no real threat to your business, and at worst would replace the dirtiest fossil fuels with others (switching for example from coal to gas).

    You would ally with extremists and other sources of anti-democratic power, in order to be able to fight democratic efforts to cut emissions through the application of threats, instability and violence.

    Most of all, you’d invest as heavily as possible in new infrastructure and supply. For oil and gas companies, this means new exploration and new pipelines. Why would you do this, if you know you may have to abandon these assets before they’ve paid off? Two reasons: First, it sends a signal of confidence to markets that you expect to continue to grow in the future. Second, it’s politically harder to force companies to abandon expensive investments than it is to prevent those systems from being built in the first place — the mere existence of a pipeline becomes an argument for continuing to use it. This, too, bolsters investor confidence. (Note that whether these assets are eventually abandoned or not is of little concern to current investors looking to delay devaluations).

    Here’s the kicker: If you were going to put in place a presidential administration that was dedicated to taking these actions, it would look exactly like what we have now: a cabinet and chief advisors in which nearly every member is a climate denialist with ties to the Carbon Lobby....

    Trump’s ties to Russian espionage suddenly make more sense in this light. If you were going to ask why a country like Russia would risk a war to interfere with American politics, look at what the Russian economy is.

    Russia is a petrostate. It’s the number one gas exporter and number two oil exporter in the world, but its economy is otherwise stagnant and out-of-date. Those oil and gas assets are controlled by a small number of oligarchs gathered around Putin, the former head of the KGB. Those oligarchs may be the one group of investors who stands to lose the most from the popping of the Carbon Bubble....

    Now, add in all the other Bubble-expanding projects and ploys, pipelines and hotels, and you begin to see the magnitude of the scam here. The difference between the Carbon Bubble deflating rapidly now and popping spectacularly in a decade or more could mean literally trillions more dollars in profits for the kind of people now helicoptering into Washington.

    But that same delay would also bring on climate catastrophe, damage our democracy and bring financial ruin for the investors who are left holding those assets when the bubble pops. If history is any guide, those investors will be pensions and mutual funds and small timers — in other words, regular people.

    368:

    Wodan, I know you feel there's communication happening here and some readers are making an attempt to interpret your oracular proclamations but please, for the rest of us, could you render your bafflegarb in plain speech?

    Please Quote which bafflegarb you need translating.

    Note.

    There might be exterior costs.

    369:

    p.s.

    For those USA readers worrying about M.A.D. and Trump.

    If you understand the links I just analyzed, you're going to have a very bad day. But it won't be about Trump, so there's a silver lining.

    370:

    Oh, if you're talking about April_D:

    We pretended to be a TERF / stated TERF ideals She flamed Greg Cheered We nose wiggled Pterry and laundry was mentioned Actual point was made She's now a proper author

    http://www.aprildaniels.com/

    Absolutely nothing to do with us, barring nose wiggling and buying it when it came out.

    Chances she remembers a tiny flame war?

    No existent, but we liked the book.

    371:

    Greg, I think you may find this interesting: https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.x33mo332v

    (Not happy reading, but interesting. Seems plausible to an outsider, but maybe an American will spot errors.)

    This one is interesting, but basically says more data needed: https://tompepinsky.com/2017/01/30/weak-and-incompetent-leaders-act-like-strong-leaders/

    And if you want something more light-heartedly satirical: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/america-you-look-like-an-arab-country-right-now-214678

    372:

    This all MF / liberal sphere bollocks.

    It's being floated by people who don't understand things but would love the status quo to continue.

    ~

    The President of the USA cost a market cap of -$50 billion via fucking Twitter.

    I would REALLY advise to stop reading Hacker News / Opinion pieces by random tech bros to get your reality.

    373:

    And, no LITERALLY.

    MR PRIORS input is MF / HN scraped links.

    MR MAN WE JUST ANALYZED 20+ YEARS OF MULTIPLE DATA SOURCES OF FISHING DATA AND 4 OTHER STUDIES TO COME TO A BETTER CONCLUSION:

    BANGLADESH IS NOW FUCKED.

    YOUR SHIT IS VAPID AND UNIMPORTANT.

    374:

    Seriously.

    Someone put the fucking children to bed.

    And they're fucking "adults" who use stupid little social games to get their love and then do their best to "ostracize us" with shitty little games.

    Like SEAGULLS, regurgitating random OP-Ed pieces of crap spun by wankers who haven't a clue.

    Opposed to: comprehensive break down of actual threat, 450+ pages in under 15mins, spot on, right in your face 100% analysis.

    Pro-tip: It's not US spouting BOLLOCKS, it's YOU.

    Pro-tip: When you critique something that can do Many Things, but you can only do one: make fucking sure she's not also better at that one than you.

    The Prettiest Star YT: Music, Bowie, 3:!4

    375:

    London to Birmingham hasn't been a 6 hour round trip since steam days. The big increase in speed on that route was with electrification in the 1960s. The timings now have not changed significantly since the electrification. (Notwithstanding the increase in maximum speeds by 15mph. It may look good on PR material but if you're serious about reducing the time of a journey you concentrate on raising the troughs in the speed curve, not the peaks.) So it is necessary to look elsewhere for reasons why more people are making a journey which is no quicker but is more expensive and less comfortable, when they could use the new M40 instead. One possibility is that once you get to the bottom end of the M40, a car these days is no longer a convenience, but a huge and expensive pain in the arse, so people have more reason to prefer to leave it behind altogether. Another is that with laptops having become commonplace businesses are more inclined to make people work while travelling, which requires a train.

    We have seen an increase in commuting over such distances as York to London due to increased speeds... the increases resulting from first the HST and then electrification, both of which were down to BR.

    Car ownership continued to increase well after 1980, but particularly over the last 15-20 years or so their ease of use has significantly dropped and their hassle factor greatly increased. The roads are more congested, journeys slower and more frustrating, speed limits on trucks have brought all single-carriageway roads down to 40mph routes, when you get to the other end there's nowhere to park. Fuel costs a packet, and young drivers in particular are being priced off the road by stupid insurance costs: what might have been half a month's wages in the 80s might be a number of months now, and accommodation - also subject to stupid prices - is a greater necessity. Certainly the advantages of privacy and independence remain, but the countervailing disadvantages have attained greater moment.

    376:

    That wasn't a slip of the finger.

    377:

    "...essentially has access to his own Intelligence apparat

    Agreed completely. This is scary stuff.

    378:

    Yes, but as Male Power Stuff goes, I thought I did a good job.

    I turned the SEAGULLS insult back on them, with proof, and then made a joke.

    In fact, as things go [tm] that was not only turning around SEAGULLS but making it a sharp spear point that should shame and devastate those who used it as an insult.

    Isn't that how this works? Male Testosterone. Such a rush.

    Testicles.

    Explain them please.

    They suspiciously hang there doing nothing, but sometimes itch. Are you supposed to paint them or have a special bag?

    Why.

    Do.

    They.

    Hang.

    There.

    It mocks me. Breasts at least flex and alter as you raise your arms or flex your muscles.

    These things just hang there.

    Apparently they have nerves.

    But they don't respond when I prod them as I would do breasts.

    379:

    Nope to April D; I meant people Charlie invited to guest blog.

    Second, I was not questioning the value of your posts. I was questioning if your posts were valuable for the reasons Charlie stated.

    I do think your posts have value sometimes and sometimes they might have value, but I just don't have the energy to parse them.

    380:

    I read that a month or two ago. I don't know whether I posted the link here or not. But definitely very intelligent and worth a read.

    381:

    Not about me.

    Host's Guests = Rules (meta) = I would never splurge on them (one exception: joke involving lego figurines. He wasn't amused. It was funny though. Two Month ban from host for being rude).

    You can call me all the names in the book - suggesting Host breaks basic rules of hospitality is a bit shitty though.

    Also, I probably don't share your sense of expectations: if a successful author (HOST included) responds, it's a bonus. It's not demanded or expected. Host frequently ignores / deletes things he finds boring.

    ~

    Or, sigh: Flexes wings.

    I'm more than adult enough to spot the insult intended, deflect it, then turn it into a joke about testicles.

    The fact is: you never believed I insulted any "female" guest speaker, nor did you have evidence, nor did you have reason, barring the slight odious oil-like ooze of whisper based insult that is so common to your sphere.

    We saw it, we are rather more mature than you.

    In fact: it was quite embarrassing to post in certain Guest Threads where regulars were posting when they'd obviously never read the works, bought them, or in one horrendous case: actually stated that "Using a Patreon for the author to fund her fucking horses" wasn't his "thing".

    ~

    Iron, really.

    Tell Wu that she's in danger of having some of the Deus Vult ones turn up: they've got the FBI reports, they've got the dox reports and they're not going to play it like fucking Hollywood Dick Wolf.

    We've squashed most of it, but she's acting like she can reignite this stuff.

    As stated: that is over.

    382:

    Stop poking the bears.

    If you've not had enough proof you don't understand the Game or what poking the wrong fucking people does, whelp: I'd suggest looking to your President.

    Get the vulnerable out of the Game even if they're too stupid to know what's changed.

    383:

    Oh, and serious comment to your handlers.

    Don't step into realms you don't understand using patsies who haven't actually built anything.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html

    Dumb fucks imagining you can walk into a much more profitable realm (+$60bil) without stepping on toes using the dumb and ignorant and use shit like crude Minerva groups.

    It's cruel, and ruins their lives. c.f. No Man's Sky

    Goodbye Hello. After 2 1/2 years being strapped to the NMS freight-train I'm off to go sit in the dark and push my thumbs into my eyes H. Denholm, Twitter, 30th Jan 2017.

    ~

    Either you're dumb or cruel or are just muppets. Make that choice.

    But do not step into realms you don't understand with a splash and expect fucking applause, muppets.

    384:

    Goodbye Hello. After 2 1/2 years being strapped to the NMS freight-train I'm off to go sit in the dark and push my thumbs into my eyes H. Denholm, Twitter, 30th Jan 2017.

    Hint: unlike your fucking shit, he made something.

    ~

    And Iron, consider this the polite warning.

    Your lot is stepping in shit that's taken 10+ years to do, and we're not amused.

    386:

    Really not the game being played: it's just a throw-back wank to how strong Obama was while GOP fucked him for 8 years.

    It's wank fantasy.

    The only thing that matters here is:

    1) Military

    2) Judicial (LOL ANDREW JACKSON)

    3) Finance

    Trump is probably going to blow the fuck out of a few major currencies in the next 10 days - it's a counter to Iran / Russia etc.

    ~

    If you've not noticed:

    Not a single attack is being raised about losing ~$50bil market cap on stocks.

    This is insane, unless you think the upside / short is going to be Biblical.

    If ANY President, CEO, singer, random person who hit a button cost the USA fucking stock market ~$50 bil, you'd see assassination.

    Which means they're waiting for the counter-pull.

    387:

    I'm more than adult enough to spot the insult intended, deflect it, then turn it into a joke about testicles.

    I think you misinterpreted some silliness on my part. "Stars are ripe" as in "ready to be eaten." How you got to testicles baffles me. (And you always react to comments about Predecessors. It's a weakness, but it's kind of cute. Maybe one day you'll tell us what happened in that cube.)

    Hint: My comments were an affectionate tug on the tail, not a yank!

    388:

    Explain them please. Since you made me look, not that it looked like a serious question. First, trust me on this (please :-); it does hurt, a lot, to have them hit hard with e.g. a low kick.

    Cool sperm: why some placental mammals have a scrotum (2014) The evolutionary history of testicular externalization and the origin of the scrotum (2010) And my favorite, though perhaps too amusing to be true: On the Origin of Descended Scrotal Testicles: The Activation Hypothesis (2009)

    389:

    I don't understand testicles.

    They're like ears, right: the older you are, the more they sag?

    Breasts are there, and have sensitive points (!tush!) and bras are crap (or were).

    But...

    You have these alien things, just hanging there, and apparently the most painful thing in the world (male) is getting hit in them.

    But...

    Until then.

    They just hang.

    Potential World Enders.

    Hairy.

    With no twitches or nerves.

    That's. WEIRD.

    Don't you notice them?

    ~

    Oh, and Iron.

    Take your toys home and stop the media campaign already: we've already seeded all their minds with progressive stuff, but you didn't notice and they didn't notice. We work subtle, you work stupid and crass - now get the fuck out of the area.

    Holy Crap: the stupidity that caused #GG when we were already in control of it that lead to...

    Wait.

    Iron.

    You work for TRUMP?

    Minerva = not understanding a fucking 10+ year campaign to do the shit already and it's not even fucking complicated because most of these gamers are actually left wing already, but who wanted $$ press cash and a quick fucking hit and slash.

    Whelp, well done. You're fucking idiots.

    p.s.

    FEZ and bullshit Conspiracy / Mason memes are cool... if you thought that there wasn't a larger campaign already been done.

    :Boots up Exile:

    390:

    THE USA:

    WILL SHIT ON YOU, BOMB YOUR SHIT, MAKE THE NATIVES HOSTILE, THEN COMPLAIN WHEN NO-ONE LIKES THEM.

    AND WHEN YOU SORT THEIR SHIT OUT: WILL FUCKING COME AFTER YOU.

    Literally

    ~

    Trump.

    Fucking Winning Tiger Blood Ignorant Mother-fuckers.

    391:

    I don't take the idea that Obama was strong very seriously. If he wanted to be strong he would have told Rahm Emmanual to fuck off and kept Howard Dean as the Democratic Party chair.

    What resonated is the idea that the current administration is not well organized and that the evidence supports this. The question in my mind is how long it will take them to get organized? (If your mind works the way I think it does you may not fully appreciate the depths of incompetence to which a human can sink while successfully navigating the world on nothing but social skills and salesmanship.)

    I think we need to have assessments of both strengths and weakness; I haven't seen enough evidence either way to understand the dynamics of the inner administration, so I allow data from both sides for now.

    392:

    Look.

    They're not supposed to be organized.

    That's their "schtick".

    Trump has a Senate and House majority.

    He could shit in a bucket and no-one would care.

    I posted a while back (in fact, far before the election or any of these EOs happened or any fucking media woke up) that Trump would push EOs.

    Go do a GREP: IT'S TRUE: I TOLD YOU, NO-ONE ELSE IN THE MEDIA FLAGGED IT UP EVAR.

    Why?

    Because why the fuck not. Drama, laziness and fuck you shelps,

    He has a majority in Senate / House.

    He literally doesn't need them.

    The EOs are just a fucking stage prop to keep the media, the lefties, the base, twitter etc engaged.

    IT'S A PISS TAKE.

    TRUMP DOESN'T NEED EOS. HE'S USING THEM AS A FUCKING PROP.

    IT'S AN INSULT, A LAUGH, A CYNICAL JOKE.

    For fucks sake I wish any Americans got PREDATOR HUMOR, ffs.

    ~

    What they're actually planning is a little worse.

    Hint: 2018 /2020... yeah. Not going to many "democrats"

    393:

    What they're actually planning is a little worse.

    Hint: 2018 /2020... yeah. Not going to many "democrats"

    I got that one big time. And the EOs were obvious. (I can't wait until he tries to fire a member of Congress...)

    I think it will end up worse than that, however. I suspect the administartion will find themselves in a war fairly soon, basically through being "disorganized" and that war will be much worse for everyone than going after the Democrats in a serious way. I wish I wasn't on the west coast.

    394:

    Texas didn't legalize marijuana last election like they should have, so they deserve whatever negative consequences they get. Nevada is laughing so hard right now!

    395:

    Obama's largest cave-in by far was not helping pass single payer healthcare when he had a chance in his first term, AKA medicare-for-all. How you can not mention this before anything else is frankly shocking.

    396:

    I didn't mention it because I was specifically discussing things that weakened his presidency. Howard Dean won elections with his 50-State strategy, and in doing so he brought Obama the allies he needed to be strong. Had Dean been head of the Democratic Party, Obama's terms as president would have gone very differently because he would have had the votes in Congress.

    You're right, however, that healthcare was definitely a horrible cave-in.

    IMHO Obama's biggest cave was not arresting the bankers. Are you old enough to remember the Savings and Loan crisis? During which those corporate running-dog fascist imperialist bastards Reagan and Bush responded by...

    ...arresting, trying, and convicting 1100 bankers!

    I voted against both Reagan or Bush I, but if you want to see how badly the rot has deepened in the last 30 years, this is the single most damning statistic - number of bankers arrested.

    Regardless of how you rank Obama's mistakes, he will not be remembered fondly by history (and neither will the modern Republicans) mainly on the basis of bankers, health care (Obama could at least have used the threat of single-payer to extract some concessions) not arresting torturers, and the horrible mistake of firing Howard Dean.

    397:

    Thank-you.

    However ... you didn't need to shout, nor answer the ones I already knew & therefore, didn't ask about .... Incidentally, it was the combination of alt-r with kek that confused me ... seems utterly bonkers to me, but then, so is the planet, these days.

    398:

    No Follow the money. The privatised TOC's get between 2 & 4 times as much subsidy as BR did ... The track wasn't sorted out until Railtrack's collapse, brought on by their own incompetent arrogance & that of the guvmint that still believed, even then, that the railways were dying & wanted to accelerate the process.

    399:

    See also Saudi Arabia WELCOMING the Trump admin's moves ... & ranting on about wonderful petroleum ... Um

    400:

    Again, thank you. Can we have more of this, pretty please & less random-ranting?

    I found the two articles by Yonatan Zunger particularly worrying [ If only because it mirrors my own predictions ] - he puts flesh-&-bones on how & when. I really don't like the "Inner circle" & "ignoring the law" bits, especially when combined. What will they be called in future, I wonder ... some suitably bland translation of Shutz Staffeln, I suspect?

    401:

    Oh SHIT, my bad - ignore the second sentence! [ I misread the header ! ]

    402:

    372 - 374 Now that is what I ( & some other people ) don't want: You spent 3 separate posts just insulting other posters. Rude & unnecessary, to say the least

    403:

    BANGLADESH IS NOW FUCKED. Bangladesh is particularly screwed for other reasons, but no fish will hit the whole East India sea board, Sri Lanka and Myanmar. And they can't just walk away because there's nowhere to go. S. Asia is quite the pressure cooker. Boiled frog anyone?

    404:

    The best steam London - Brum trips were always 2 hours, by either GWR or LNWR routes, so 4 hour round trip. From about 1908 until about 1960. Now, with more stops, but cheap & comfortable, from Marylebone: 1h 48 min From Euston (expensive) 1h 42min

    405:

    "Stop poking the bears"

    As in 17% of Rosneft, do you mean?

    406:

    AND Not pushing really hard for a Supreme Court Judge ....

    Not that it's going to matter, with state gutted & DHS obeying Trumpolini & not the courts .....

    407:

    Count now past 1 779 000

    408:

    Carbon bubble popping? I mean, either oil remains plentiful and business keeps going as usual, or oil becomes more rare and the price goes up and business keeps going as usual. It won't pop, it will gradually deflate. Weak artificial interference with it the process, like blocking pipelines, will not be sufficient to "pop the bubble" because they'll be no different from the normal process of deposits being used up and new deposits being found. Widespread and lasting legal restrictions beyond simple carbon taxes are not likely to happen. So what's going to happen is that oil will get more expensive, which will enrich oil produces thus giving them more political power in the short term. But you can't legislate away reality: at some point oil will get so expensive that it won't be competitive, at which point either the petro-lords force everybody to keep using oil or they lose control and importance when everybody switches to coal. Yes coal is plentiful and you can make it into gasoline. Because the period of petro-lord political control won't be a period of nudging alternative energy sources into being the, well, economically obvious alternative. Coal will be back, the "carbon" bubble is not going to pop because it's multiple bubbles. Climate change is slow, while people and nations are selfish. The only good out in sight is a tech fix. Fusion would be good. Less good outs include an ongoing world depression (all too likely) and a world dictatorship imposing discipline that looks a lot like a depression (almost impossible). Both of those are basically a choice of rapid destruction of civilization as a way to avoid slow destruction of civilization. Unless, again, there's a tech fix so that we can each have shoes and t shirts and warm houses and also lots of people.

    409:

    Re. Trains, it occurred to me that you could compare passenger number increases in an area known to have bad service, bad old trains etc, with an area with newer trains and better service. If it's non-privatisation factors, then you'll see the increase at similar rates.

    410:

    Yep, now that he's filed for re-election any non-profit is prohibited from attacking him on pain of losing non-profit status.

    411:

    Or the case of the lines inside N London, run by a dire TOC called "Silverlink" ( a.k.a. Silver-plonk ) Trains late, dirty, unreliable. TfL Bid for a "Concession" rather than a TOC - was allowed to by the DfT & now the trains are more frequent, longer, reliable & PACKED. It's been so successful that total SHIT Grayling had decided that they can't do it again ....

    Or the "Chiltern" TOC, run entirely by ex-senior BR managers, given a 20 year lease, because "everyone knew" the line was crap since they had tried hard to close it ...again, the trains are longer, more frequent & packed.

    412:
    Juncker - spy scandal & financial corruption OK?

    Not OK.

    Greg. When you are in a hole stop digging. You are making yourself look ridiculous.

    Your original claim was that Juncker was a petty crook. When asked to provide evidence you first said "my boss told me so". When asked for clarification you post a link "spy scandal & financial corruption" which points to a Torygraph (FFS!) article that contains no mention of any corruption at all.

    413:

    It isn't about running out of oil. The popping bubble refers to what happens when people realise exactly how badly the shit has hit the fan and all those oil reserves become effectively unburnable.

    Suddenly the oil companies assets become worthless. Pop.

    414:

    Pence does not have that cache

    Is that a typo? It's just that the appropriate word is 'cachet', but I suspect the French pronunciation (losing the final 't' and thus sounding like 'caché') confuses a lot of people.

    (All of us make this sort of mistake sooner or later: the English language is way too huge and draws on way too many roots for anyone to have a chance of getting it right all the time.)

    415:

    Wōdan Shodan @365: Unfortunately, for them to look at that would mean they would have to firstly, admit they might be wrong on something; secondly, admit they might not know everything; and thirdly, be open to correction. None of which seems to apply to this particular "government" (scare quotes deliberate). Instead, if they're made aware of this (and the person taxed with making them aware shouts over the "lalalalala I'm not listening lalalalala" for long enough) they're going to say firstly, it's a plot by the Heathen Chinee to bankrupt Amurrica; secondly, it's all lies; and thirdly, it's not their problem to deal with, because that's Bangladesh's issue. (Options one and two may materialise in the reverse order, but option three will definitely be in there).

    The ones I'd be trying to get to pay attention are the Australian government (although that will probably fail for much the same reasons - our PM and MPs are basically a wunch of bankers, in both the Spoonerised and non-Spoonerised senses of the term). I mean, we share an ocean with the Bay of Bengal, and it's been demonstrated by at least one group of Sri Lankan refugees that it's possible to sail from there to here. I'm sure they'll notice once our fishing fleets are impacted... won't they?

    (Spoiler: I doubt it. This would involve the Australian government looking away from licking the arse of whoever happens to be sitting in the big chair in the oval office.)

    416:

    alr-r KEK (?) the old Digg (?) Preppers (?) Life is too short to look all of this crap up, in the probably vain hope that it means something.

    Greg, if you don't know what these things are, you're dangerously out of touch with the extremist forces dominating US politics today.

    alt-r/KEK: the alt-r or alt-right are neo-nazis. One of them is the White House Chief-of-Staff, Stephen Bannon, who seems to be committed to starting a world war between the Christian West and Islam. Bannon is a Christian(ist); KEK is an ancient Egyptian frog-god (representing chaos) who's been adopted as a mascot by the non-Christian bits of the alt-right who just want to burn down western civilization and create a new world order in which they can get laid (they're mostly stay-at-home unemployed/unemployable males who have no clue about how to survive in the 21st century and are resentful of women for somehow overlooking the manifest benefits of lying down and spreading their legs for these jerks).

    Digg was a social networking/web forum site, pre-Reddit, that acted as a clearing house for the diseased ideology these assholes fester in. "Old Digg" refers to how it was before management/the owners noticed and began banning the more extreme offenders.

    Preppers: people who believe the USA is going to collapse any day now — think back to the Y2K panic — and who build bunkers/collect guns, gold and canned food in order to "prepare" to survive the collapse. A post-cold war pivot on the old survivalist theme. They tend to be white, suburban/rural (suburbs in the USA are rural by UK standards), racist, and violently anti-government.

    This stuff is not rocket science. You're a bright guy, you know the difference between the Waffen SS, the Gestapo, and the Hitler Youth; please note that while all of these groups were established and large organizations by 1940 none of them existed in 1930. A decade is all it takes. This is the modern-day equivalent taxonomy of extreme rightism and WS is simply talking to those of us who haven't been asleep to developments on the far-right since 2007.

    417:

    Yes, I do know they exist, but the short-form abbreviations get me lost from time to time, especially with The Seagull's, erm, "Shorthand". And OF COURSE I KNOW they are certainly fascists ( Mussolini-style - hence my name for DT ) and some of them ( Bannon springs to mind ) are if not actual Nazis, so close as to be virtually indistinguishable. I didn't realise that the "Old" survivalists had mutated into the "Preppers" - though how they are going to interact with "other survivors" could be interesting, for Dark Ages values ....

    A decade is all it takes. Actually, a lot shorter time than that - about a year will do it. I was very very worried by the articles linked to by R Prior @ 371

    418:

    No existent, but we liked the book.

    Tip: the sequel's pretty good, too.

    419:

    err ... you missed a joke there ... Teh boss is my other half - younger than me, works in The City & keeps her ear to the ground for financial frauds & dodgy deals, so as to keep well-away from them.

    420:

    MR MAN WE JUST ANALYZED 20+ YEARS OF MULTIPLE DATA SOURCES OF FISHING DATA AND 4 OTHER STUDIES TO COME TO A BETTER CONCLUSION:

    BANGLADESH IS NOW FUCKED.

    Translation into Greg-speak:

    The Bay of Bengal is becoming anoxic, depleted of oxygen in the surface waters to the point where fish cannot survive.

    Bangladesh's population are totally dependent for dietary protein on the catch from their local fisheries. About 85% of the population live along the coast.

    That's nearly 165 million people who are going to be facing a permanent famine state within the next couple of years. 1-2 orders of magnitude more than the number who were caught up in those war-induced North African famines a decade or two ago that you might remember?

    Now. What are the implications for a refugee crisis if the numbers on the move rise from ~10 million (population of Syrian/Libyan/Iraqi war zones) to ~100 million (because Bangladesh just imploded)?

    Hint: when WS/CD uses the term "gigacide", she's not being overly alarmist.

    Second hint: some of the nastier right-wing shitbags now clogging up the White House would like to solve the global sustainability problem by "allowing" maybe 1-3 billion people to die off. The scale is so large that gas chambers and death camps won't work: instead, they're thinking in terms of building walls around entire subcontinents, policed by killer drones, and letting heat emergencies and starvation do the job, sort of like the Ukraine famines of the 1920s/1930s only on a vastly larger scale.

    421:

    Spare us your political gaslighting.

    For as long as I can remember, the sphere of social democracy (not the same thing as liberal democracy, or should I say 'democracy') has been under constant assault, and has been constantly shrinking.

    As for your insinuation that anyone who despairs at the erosion of social democracy by the beige tide must desire the killing of children - well that is nothing less than disgusting. If you knew what it meant to say things like that - if you knew people who had been directly affected by political violence - then you would not say things like that.

    422:

    It can, and will, pop very abruptly through technical obsolescence. The personal electronics industry is pouring billions into better batteries every year. From the perspective of manufacture and logistics, then given sufficiently good batteries electric automotion is strictly better than combustion is ever going to be - Electrons are a whole lot cheaper than gasoline, and the distribution infrastructure that keeps your house lit and your washer/dryer combo working will double for charging with far less expenditure then gas stations on city street corners.

    That means a heck of a lot of oil is going to be left in the ground because noone really wants it.
    Rule one of capitalism: Things are worth what people will pay for them. If the collapsing demand for oil drops the price to << 20 euros barrel, then the oil reserves various people have on their books as assets are worthless because it costs more than that to extract them.

    Same with coal: Coal has been obsolete for at least 40 years. I very much doubt the interests backing it will be able to continue that con in the face of climate change and several different technologies beating it on cost.

    423:

    I don't see the relevance of that to your touching belief that (Muslim jihadi in Iraq ~2002) = foreigner.

    You're also presuming that everyone actually uses Facezone and/or a "smart" phone. Both of those presumptions are invalid now, and would be even less valid in 2002.

    424:

    "The scale is so large that gas chambers and death camps won't work: instead, they're thinking in terms of building walls around entire subcontinents, policed by killer drones, and letting heat emergencies and starvation do the job, sort of like the Ukraine famines of the 1920s/1930s only on a vastly larger scale."

    I don't doubt this for a second, but do you have any links?

    425:
    We do not elect our PM's, we vote for individual MP's

    Exactly.

    How is that different from how Juncker was elected, again?

    426:

    I agree with your argument, but your example is rubbish. There may be valid reason(s) for establishing that the subject of the sentence was skyclad, not all doorways contain a door, not all doors are made of wood, not all doors are always closed (or open)...

    427:

    I have a suspicion that maybe you don't get how our SCHEDULED elections are incredibly ingrained into our cultural DNA. Elections in the UK aren't fixed on the calendar like ours.

    And you'd be wrong; under normal circumstances UK elections are for "a term", unless the holder of a specific seat resigns or dies, in which case a by-election for that seat is called to select a replacement who will serve out the remainder of that term.

    428:

    One post is a rant? Are you mixing me up with someone else?

    Here's another one for you: https://georgelakoff.com/2016/07/23/understanding-trump-2/

    Written before the election, but still applies. (Assuming the science is valid.)

    Might also explain why Trudeau's "Sunny Ways" campaign succeeded against Harper's neocon negative campaign in our last election: rather than confront the lies and negative advertising head-on, he ignored them and focused on positive messaging. Didn't do anything against the Harper loyalists (they wouldn't change anyway), but it stopped Harper defining the frame as he had in all the previous elections.

    429:

    It's probably true that Bangladesh is fucked, but it was fucked before Trump got elected. Obama didn't save them, and there's little reason to believe Hillary could have. It was a bipartisan, multipolar fucking.

    It seems like, to a lot of people on this blog, Trump's election was the final straw that shook them out of their complacency. That's good, but Trump is just a symptom. Politics, in the US and many other places, is becoming negative-sum because our environment is becoming negative-sum. The writing has been on the wall for decades, for those who cared to look.

    430:

    What are the implications for a refugee crisis ... because Bangladesh just imploded?

    I'm not sure how this plays out in S. Asia if that's a collapse flash point. They have a tradition of walking half way across a continent en-masse for religious festivals, but getting out of S.Asia is HARD. So where are these refugees going to go and how are they going to get there? The terrain makes E, NE, N and NW pretty much impassable. And to the West it's politically impassable. Even by boat, there's nowhere to go. And that's just the logistics problem.

    I somehow don't think it's going to be an Ian McDonald - Cyberabad Days future.

    429. Not everything is about the USA.
    431:

    I don't doubt this for a second, but do you have any links?

    No links; I'm just assembling the pieces of the jigsaw and trying to see the big picture that gradually comes into focus. And it's utterly terrifying.

    (Remember that the original objective of the Final Solution wasn't to kill 6 million Jews and about 4-6 million other people; it was to kill 10-12 million Jews and over 100 million slavs. Nazis think big, and the Final Solution failed to meet its objectives.

    If you put Lebensraum and the doctrine of eternal struggle together with overpopulation and global anthropogenic climate change, and if you're a true believer, what policies will you try to implement (quietly — remember, the Final Solution was intended to be kept secret from the German population at large, because they might be squeamish)?

    Blog essay on the subject coming, when I'm (a) not elbow-deep in a novel facing a deadline, and (b) not too depressed to write it.

    432:

    If you put Lebensraum and the doctrine of eternal struggle together with overpopulation and global anthropogenic climate change, and if you're a true believer, what policies will you try to implement[...]?

    Well, closing the borders from refugees seems like a 'fine' start...

    433:

    Electrons are a whole lot cheaper than gasoline,

    Ummm, no. Gasoline, oil and gas are really cheap, cheaper than bottled water in many places. Taxes on those fuels push the price up and at the moment, to encourage the takeup of new electric cars the "fuel" for those cars is not being taxed. It will be in the future, governments can't take the financial hit from losing that tax revenue (probably by a road-pricing scheme, depending on mileage reported by a black box of some kind).

    and the distribution infrastructure that keeps your house lit and your washer/dryer combo working will double for charging with far less expenditure then gas stations on city street corners.

    That's assuming a large expensive buildout of new generating capacity to feed the demand and the consumption of more gas and coal to power those generators. Distribution infrastructure will have to be expensively upgraded to cope with the extra load, roads dug up to lay new cables in cities, new switchyards etc. Rich elites will fit solar panels to their free-standing suburban homes, the poor will have to make do with gas-powered beater cars like they do today.

    Gas stations are going away in city centres not because of lack of demand but because the ground they stand on is worth more for homes. New gas stations are being built in suburban shopping parks, often attached to large supermarkets.

    That means a heck of a lot of oil is going to be left in the ground because noone really wants it.

    Ummm, no. Marine transport and aircraft as well as military applications demand portable compact lightweight fuel with a high energy content. Absent some magic nuclear tech the need will be met by liquid (or liquified gas) fuels and it will be a lot cheaper to pump it out of the ground and refine it than to make it from scratch from water, CO2 and electricity.

    434:

    Re the stairs-phobic Trump/Dalek comparison doing the rounds on OGH's twitter and elsewhere at the moment, I came across this description of the BBC's first test of their newly conceived, nylon castors equipped Daleks circa 1965:

    Before rehearsals started the cast and other members brought their children along and they were shown the Daleks and talked to the Dalek operators, but then when rehearsals started the operators got into the Daleks and started moving,and at that point all the children screamed and ran out of the studio!

    • Dalek designer Raymond P. Cusick

    There's a metaphor in there somewhere for how everyone feels pre- and post-Trump and -Brexit.

    (Source: Spike & Co.; Inside the House of Fun with Milligan, Sykes, Galton & Simpson, by Graham McCann).

    435:

    Well, closing the borders from refugees seems like a 'fine' start...

    Stopping all food exports, because "We have our own mouths to feed", along with pretty much all Humanitarian Aid are a couple more steps.

    436:

    Stopping all food exports

    Of course, in the US we import a lot of food, and we can expect everything from South of the Border to get more expensive, or not available, once The Wall goes up. So, perhaps a big Back To The Land push, sending all those homeless and others out to prisonfarms.

    437:

    Oh, and that means a big blandification of cuisine, nothing but Good Ol' Fashioned American Food, meat and potatoes for everyone. None of that fancy foreign food. And as for them hippie vegetarians....

    438:
    err ... you missed a joke there ... Teh boss is my other half - younger than me, works in The City & keeps her ear to the ground for financial frauds & dodgy deals, so as to keep well-away from them.

    I didn't miss it. I just didn't find it funny.

    No comment on your mislabeling the link to the torygraph, eh?

    439:

    I parsed that one, thanks to a link ... But You missed something, I'm afraid. "They" will deny anything at all is happening, for as long as possible & some time thereafter, pretend it's nothing at all to do with them ... & only then erect their walls.

    What they can't or won't see, of course, is that it will affect them as well - how long until there's a big anoxic sink in the upper Caribbean or gulf of Mexico - & then what?

    440:

    "Latifundia" is the word you are looking for, I think?

    441:

    Yes - I was & said "my bad" - & repeat apologies.

    443:

    I wish to submit into evidence Tex-Mex, Creole and Cajun as (Southern) USian cookery styles.

    444:
    They suspiciously hang there doing nothing, (snip!) But they don't respond when I prod them as I would do breasts.

    ...

    With no twitches or nerves.

    The cremaster muscle can be quite busy, under the right circumstances. Mostly involuntary.

    Acquire a cold hand, grasp a scrotum gently between balls and body, and watch them squirm.

    446:
    Guardian link

    Says nothing about JCJ being a crook. Says Luxembourg is a tax haven. At least they figured out what to do when the steel mills shut down.

    EU Observer link

    Same thing.

    This is getting boring. Do you think I can't read or that I don't know how to follow a link?

    Once again -- your claim was that Juncker was a "petty crook". You've spent many messages flailing around failing to produce any evidence.

    Why haven't you brought up his fees for speaking to bankers and wankers? Then you'd be in full on Bernie mode.

    Or you could try the old "he's a drunk" smear.

    447:

    "I don't see the relevance of that to your touching belief that (Muslim jihadi in Iraq ~2002) = foreigner."

    Paws, how many times do I have to use the word "Afghanistan" before you notice that I am talking about Afghanistan in 2001/2002.

    Afghanistan. Afghanistan. Afghanistan. Got it?

    Also note that I stipulated multiple conditions: "Rounding up the Al Quaeda members in Afghanistan wouldn't have been difficult in 2001, as (1.)they all had non-Afghani passports, (2.)spoke Arabic with distinguishable accents, (3.)were shooting at U.S. troops, and (4.)were mainly clustered in Al Quaeda's training camps." That's 4 conditions for identifying a probably Al Quaeda follower in Afghanistan (not Iraq, which is where the U.S. never should have gone!)

    I'll also note that you're quibbling so hard you've lost the original issue, in which I wrote. "Stupidly opposite U.S. policies have been the norm with regard to the Muddled East since at least 9/11. The elephant in the room is that ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, etc., are all Sunni fanatics inspired by Wahabi clerics from Saudi Arabia and given startup financing with Saudi "charity" monies. (The Wahabi clerics may be homegrown by this point.)"

    "You're also presuming that everyone actually uses Facezone and/or a "smart" phone. Both of those presumptions are invalid now, and would be even less valid in 2002."

    I don't hold those beliefs, but Cambridge Analytica used those methods of gathering data to win two elections which otherwise would probably have gone the other way, by micro-targeting individual people to vote against their own interests.

    You quibble so much that you've completely lost the plot. If you go back and read what I wrote again, carefully, taking exact notes, you'll probably realize that we're on the same side politically.

    If you go back and read the article at 267, also keeping careful notes, you might note the moral horror at the center of the Cambridge Analytica's business model, and hopefully be outraged at them rather than me!

    448:

    I think we do need to drastically reduce the population, but I was hoping we'd do it fairly, with birth control and a strong commitment to preserving the diversity of the human genome... the other way sucks!

    449:

    LOL at the vision of Trump falling down the stairs while chanting "Exterminate, exterminate!" I thought we were living in the South Park episode where Cartman grows up, but I guess we're living in Dr. Who instead!

    450:

    Nojay, rail may be booming... but the one and only time I've been able to afford to get off this damn continent, which was to LonCon, we were going to see what we could of Britain and Wales... and the price for three for a two-week/seven days of travel (I think it was) was more than airline fair to the UK. We rented a car for about a third of that.

    I was annoyed. In '95, when my late wife and I hoped to make Glasgow (money wound up not being there), there was a Britrail pass that included bikes. Not now.

    And as I'm < 3 years from retirement, I don't know that I'll ever be able to go abroad again, damn it.

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    451:

    That wasn't just Obama's fault, though he could have leaned on Congress. There were others... my personal pisser was the Democrat from Montana, fmr Sen. Max "never met a large campaign contribution from the medical insurance industry I didn't like" "single payer is off the table" Baucus.

    mark

    452:

    About Trumpolini/Dalek, a buddy of mine here at work said he saw a video of him walking up the stairs to Air Force One without rail, and without turning and waving....

    mark

    453:

    Jean-Claude Juncker makes a great Emmanuel Goldstein for the Murdoch-Kipper Two Minute Hate, basically. It helps that his name is both French and Prussian in the same way that Big Brother's eternal enemy had a Jewish name. If he hadn't been conveniently to hand the yellow press would have had to invent him.

    454:

    I suspect that "this can't be happening" syndrome is still operating on the other side of the pond.

    Anyone who's been following events in France lately and still believes in the "Republican Front will hold" is probably basing their overall strategy on Queen Galadriel's intervention with her elvish legions.

    Oh, well, there's an upside -- I'm still hoping that when that mob gives Jean-Claude Junker what he deserves someone uploads the video to YouTube.

    455:

    Preppers: people who believe the USA is going to collapse any day now — think back to the Y2K panic — and who build bunkers/collect guns, gold and canned food in order to "prepare" to survive the collapse. A post-cold war pivot on the old survivalist theme. They tend to be white, suburban/rural (suburbs in the USA are rural by UK standards), racist, and violently anti-government.

    This is "not wrong" but if you don't mind some expansion and elaboration that could be construed as offering improvement to your taxonomy of US subcultures, it's a tiny bit off. The vectors of inaccuracy are partially time (it's a bit stale, preppers in particular have been a moving target socially) and partially distance (things always look more complicated the closer you get to them).

    Anyway, preppers are a bit more than a pivot on the old survivalist theme. Long after the cold war ended, survivalists were all that you say, so much so that the term became quite tarnished. And a few survivalists started calling themselves "preppers" just to distance themselves from the crazed, racist, anti-government "baggage" that survivalists were carrying around. So for a brief moment in time, the two words meant almost the same thing, though you could maybe say that preppers were survivalists who were aware of and cared about having an image problem.

    Thing is, the rebranding had a real-world effect. Once you could be a "prepper" without being a scary asshole rightwing survivalist, a lot of other fearful people joined the prepper movement. This infusion was more urban (in origins, they often go rural as part of their preps, but there are plenty who build urban farms instead) and way less culturally conservative. This means less racism, less toxic religion (though plenty of purple woo of the type they used to call "new age"), and less anti-government stuff. Think of these new-wave preppers as more like the post-hippie "back to the land" homesteading movement of the 1970s. (My parents, full disclosure.)

    This new batch of preppers also has a set of insights that totally escaped the old survivalists. In a sentence, it's "don't store it, grow it." They'd rather have a working farm than a cave full of canned wheat berries. They talk about permaculture a lot. The newer preppers also have a much firmer grasp on the value of community; instead of a bunch of guns to fend off your starving neighbors, they want to organize into mutually-supporting neighborhood networks that could, in a pinch (this is one of many unrealistic parts of the prepper vision) help one another fend off the roving cannibals from the cities.

    Complicating all of this is the fact that once the new preppers were culturally quite distinct from survivalists, they got discovered by US reality television. But a 21st-century permaculture homesteading prepper who sells grass-fed quail eggs at the local farm market is a lot less colorful than an old-fashioned commie-hating survivalist with a shipping container full of stale Spam. So shows like "Doomsday Preppers" sought out the wildest survivalists they could find and slapped the "prepper" label on them for television, further muddying the subcultural waters.

    We've still got the survivalists, too. It's complicated.

    456:

    In other news, the turkeys in the House of Commons just collectively voted for Thanksgiving/Christmas: they gave May permission to trigger Article 50 before the end of March.

    Hard brexit now looks inevitable. Which is going to cause the worst economic crash in the UK since Thatcher downsized the economy by 10% in 1979-80, and probably precipitate Scottish independence.

    457:

    in a pinch (this is one of many unrealistic parts of the prepper vision) help one another fend off the roving cannibals from the cities.

    And here's the problem in a nutshell: because (a) "roving cannibals from the cities" is unavoidably and blatantly racist in a US cultural context (hint: white suburban flight), and (b) in general, in disasters, almost everybody pulls together: see for example the wake of Hurricane Katrina. You don't get roving bands of cannibals — the nearest you get is panicky bigots shooting at everybody they don't know.

    458:

    EPA to be abolished by 31/12/18

    Once this or any other bill gets some minimun number of co-sponsors and is assigned to an appropriate sub committee (or committees) and the committee schedules debate on it, we need to pay attention. Many, many, many bills are introduced in the US Congress for campaigning purposes. The last Congress passed 561 out of the 6,845 bills introduced.

    A big reason for this procedural dance is to allow just this type of grandstanding for the cheap seats.

    459:

    And you'd be wrong; under normal circumstances UK elections are for "a term",

    And I'll admit to almost total ignorance of non "national" elections in the UK (or whatever). But it is my understanding that for the "top of the ticket", err Parliament, that things were a bit fluid. When a sitting government "falls" or decides now is a good time they call for elections.

    And I'm more than willing to learn.

    460:

    I'm not convinced there was an original plan for the final solution, it seems a lot was radicalization happening during the war. This is basically functionalism vs intentionalism:

    Was there a master plan on the part of Adolf Hitler to launch the Holocaust? Intentionalists argue there was such a plan, while functionalists argue there was not. Did the initiative for the Holocaust come from above with orders from Adolf Hitler or from below within the ranks of the German bureaucracy? [...] intentionalists argue the initiative came from above, while functionalists contend it came from lower ranks within the bureaucracy.

    An important point in the functionalist inerpretation is the radicalization of the murders during the war: functionalist historians like Martin Broszat argued that the lower officials of the Nazi state had started exterminating people on their own initiative. Broszat argued that the Holocaust began “bit by bit” as German officials stumbled into genocide. Broszat argued that in the fall of 1941 German officials had begun "improvised" killing schemes as the "simplest" solution to the "Jewish Question". In Broszat's opinion, Hitler subsequently approved of the measures initiated by the lower officials and allowed the expansion of the Holocaust from Eastern Europe to all of Europe. In this way, Broszat argued that the Shoah was not begun in response to an order, written or unwritten, from Hitler but was rather “a way out of the blind alley into which the Nazis had manoeuvred themselves”.

    I think it's worthwhile for you, if you indeed subscribe to an intentionalist interpretation to look at the other camp. Historians who I know more about this than me tell me that intentionalism is popular with German right leaning folks because it exculpates large parts of the German population, army and bureaucracy.

    I think you reference the Hunger Plan - the plan to starve tens of millions of Slavs to sustain Germanys population? Your figure of 100 millions seems odd, I don't recall numbers close to that from reading Götrz Aly or Felix Wemheuer.

    But let me stress one point: Wether Hitler decided to murder all Europpean Jews in 1919 or 1941, he remains culpable. Wether Backe and his team planned the starvation of 20 or 100 million people, they remain murerers. I find the functionalist interpreation really scary, because it implies that in the wrong circumstances industrialized mass murder can arise without there being a master plan.

    461:

    Second hint: some of the nastier right-wing shitbags now clogging up the White House would like to solve the global sustainability problem by "allowing" maybe 1-3 billion people to die off. The scale is so large that gas chambers and death camps won't work: instead, they're thinking in terms of building walls around entire subcontinents, policed by killer drones, and letting heat emergencies and starvation do the job, sort of like the Ukraine famines of the 1920s/1930s only on a vastly larger scale.

    Afghanistan was not really walled of, just remote - and Al Quaeda used to place to plan attacks, apparently. Somalia is poor, and lawless, and hosts pirates. 'The Empire' (if I may borrow a term from Negri & Hart, from way back) can't afford to ignore large swathes of the world because something 'bad' to them will happen there.

    In the last 10-15 years. the trend in migration control has been to have camps, internment close to where the migrants start, to have the coast guard patrol the coasts of Lybia (Gadaffi's cops got sweet equipment from the EU before his ousting) or Senegal, not Spain or Italy.

    There is the cynical view that sees immigrants as an invading army, but the current doctrine is not a wall (Europe has one anyway, the Med) but a sort of forward strategy. Which ist fitting, since part of it was thought up by a NATO in need of job after the cold war ended and Frontex also has lots of military among it's ranks.

    Now one could also go in to Dublin II and how it makes southern Europe into a sort of moat.

    All of this is of course, the status quo anti-immigrant policies of the current beige dictatorship and you describe the fascist fringe. But our current cynical overlords have reasons they adopted the policies they have and the fringe may face similar challenges.

    462:

    One of the shitty pieces of legislation we have had inflicted on us in recent years has been the Fixed Term Parliament Act, which basically supplements the previously existing "Parliament lasts for no more than five years" with "...and lasts for no fewer, either". But it still does not tie us to a rigid cycle determined only by the calendar. A government can no longer say "sod this for a game of soldiers, we're having an election now", and the ability for an election to be forced by other factors has been reduced, but a vote of no confidence can still do the trick if you can manage to arrange for one.

    463:

    The last Congress passed 561 out of the 6,845 bills introduced.

    Oh, yeah. 561 bills every two years. Actually more as gridlock keep the number down by 100 or more the last 2 years.

    Another reason that some voted for DT. Does any country really need 250+ pieces of new legislation every year? Even if you toss out the "trivial" ones (honor for this or that) that's just too much legislation to keep up with.

    464:

    And triptych:

    A scary possibility is that, even without a genocidal master plan, our current beige overlords or their brown competitors could stumble into the walls, drone, Gigadeath scenario WS & Charlie described - ever more open support to any espot who stops his own population from leaving, ever more ruthless attacks on fishermen and others who might perform rescue (of immigrants) at sea, ever more under supplied detention camps in the middle of nowhere ...

    Police stopping and abandoning refugees in the middle of a desert, armed attacks on MSF at sea, jailing of fishermen who did their moral and legal duty of saving the shipwrecked ... all of this has happened in the last years. I fear that those are parts of our future, unevenly distributed.

    465:

    @Pigeon, Strictly Speaking there are two ways to end a parliament short of 5 years, The House of Commons Library has put out a document* that includes the following:- Early elections can be held only:

    if a motion for an early general election is agreed either by at least two-thirds of the whole House or without division; or if a motion of no confidence is passed and no alternative government is confirmed by the Commons within 14 days.

    The latter is generally considered to mean two votes of confidence within 14 days. What is not clear (at least to me) is who gets to try and form a government after the first vote of no-confidence, is it the current government or the opposition parties, common sense says it is the latter.

    466:

    Yep, I was remembering the hunger plan.

    Fuck knows how bad it would have gotten if the UK had surrendered and the Reich had got its hands on British India and the African colonies/dominions ...

    467:

    Charlie-why Hunger and not a weaponised virulent form of flu or SARS. BW for real nightmares...

    468:

    Well, Trump thinks he's Andrew Jackson and one of the most famous things Jackson did was ignore the Court re: genocide/ethnic cleansing of Native Americans.

    Odds are the Republicans will give us a Court he won't have to bother to ignore anyway.

    469:

    The Third Reich[1] starved the Dutch in 1944 by taking most of the autumn harvest to Germany while the Western Allies got bogged down pushing east and didn't liberate the Netherlands quickly enough to stop it happening.

    [1] The Thousand Year Reich, proclaimed in 1942 lasted about a thousand days.

    470:

    The famous words of Justice Frankfurter about his meeting with Jan Karski: I did not believe him. I didn't think he was lying. Those are two different things.

    You can tell people the truth about horrible things and they won't believe you. They don't have anything against you; they don't think you are a bad person. They just don't believe until the mounds of human heads show up on the news. This goes double for things that were planned, but did not actually come to pass. "Of course, they would have never actually done THAT. I mean I know they did the other thing, but they wouldn't go even further."

    (And if the pictures of the mounds of human heads never show up, then it might as well have not have happened: see the emotional resonance of Stalin's megacides as Exhibit 1. No one in the West saw anything evocative; therefore, on an emotional level no one cares. They might or might not acknowledge it on an intellectual level, but it has zero purchase on their view of history in general.)

    471:

    Re: Nature article - thanks!

    Especially like this bit in the discussion:

    'Our results imply that factors that affect the microbiome (for example, antibiotics, probiotics, specific foods48,49,50,51,52) may have an effect on the altruistic behaviour of the hosts. In many cases the effect on altruistic behaviour could be an indirect result of an effect on other behaviours: for example reduction of social anxiety22 may increase the probability of cooperative behaviour. Our results further suggest that the rate of microbe horizontal transmission could affect the evolution of altruism. We therefore predict that microbe-induced altruism is more likely to evolve when individuals interact in a way that easily allows horizontal transmission of microbes from one to the other, such as food sharing (vampire bats53, offspring feeding by parent54, trophallaxis among social insects nestmates55), but also touching, grooming and co-sheltering.'

    One scenario not mentioned - because too SF-ish -- is that the spreadability of altruism may be a factor in the genetic diversity we find in the biome. (Letting things alone to grow once they've passed the altruism sniff-test, allows for those things to generate novel progeny which would be allowed to survive because they too would pass the altruism sniff-test.) Another speculative scenario is manipulating the altruism gene into recognizing only certain subpopulations: everything else is okay to eat/destroy. Third scenario: if such bacterial altruism exists, deliberate feeding of such bacteria to unsuspecting populations might lead to a Brave New World - the bacteria is the agent of enslavement.

    Head-to-head altruism vs. selfishness - Assuming that each is a separate and distinct genetic predisposition/trait, it then follows that both could reside within one individual. What happens then?

    472:

    Re: Preppers

    As long as the topic came up, one notes that the Mormons are somewhat into prepperism:

    https://www.lds.org/topics/emergency-preparedness

    I'll have to say that, although there's a strong tendency for prepperism to go winging off into the wilds of survivalism, some of them do keep a rein on it and stick to somewhat commonsense measures.

    473:

    This isn't my area of expertise, but it is argued in "War of extermination: The german military in World War II 1941- 1944" edited by Hannes Heer and Klaus Naumann, that the Sonderkommandos and to some excent the Wermacht went into battle in 1941 fully intending to murder whatever Jews they happened across, as well as aristocracy, intelligentisa. All that historians are lacking is specific written orders saying to murder all the jews. The activities of SS and others in the East after the invasion indicate that exterminating the Jews was always intended.
    Thus the holocaust was intended all along. What probably changed was the precise means of carrying it out. The death camps became necesary to do it quickly, whereas if they'd won it would probably have been done more slowly and more people would have been 'merely' worked to death.

    474:

    Oh, well, there's an upside -- I'm still hoping that when that mob gives Jean-Claude Junker what he deserves someone uploads the video to YouTube.
    So, Charlie, this is where it has got to on your blog, people gloating about the lynching of reasonably able boring bureaucrats.

    Who are the fascists now?

    475:

    Have you read David Brin's 1987 story "The Giving Plague"? Plays with the same ideas.

    http://www.davidbrin.com/fiction/givingplague.html

    476:

    "roving cannibals from the cities" is unavoidably and blatantly racist in a US cultural context

    Shit -- you're right. I did say "less racism" but honestly I can't hide behind that. Most preppers do share with survivalists the belief that when the food delivery chain stops, the cities and suburbs alike will empty as starving bands roam the countryside looking for the last calories. And since you can't say "urban" in this country without racial encoding... I say again, shit.

    Maybe among the preppers there's not as much redneck off-jerking at the thought of sniping down the waves of "urbans" as they cross the barbed-wire fencing. A lot of the preppers come from the city and seem a lot more comfortable with racial diversity in general than the old-school survivalists. But you're not wrong that there's still some racism encoded in their threat modeling.

    477:
    Fuck knows how bad it would have gotten if the UK had surrendered and the Reich had got its hands on British India and the African colonies/dominions ...

    Yup, they would have probably starved more than the 2-4 million that the British managed to starve.

    478:
    I would surely vote for Le Pen if I were French. I would even donate significant amounts of money to her party. I might do that in any case. It may even be possible for me to vote for Le Pen.

    Well, I've been waiting for a while for someone to call jaju out on this one but nobody seems to want to.

    But -- fuck right off you fascist cunt. Continue fucking off until you can fuck off no more, then fuck off some more.

    I live in France. I'm an immigrant. My wife is African. My children are "mixed". My neighbours mostly immigrants. Fuck the fascists.

    479:

    The Third Reich is a limited model for thinking about current politics.

    On a worldwide scale, Hitler was an unforced error. WWI reparations devastated Germany, and German politics turned negative-sum. After the war, it was relatively easy to solve the underlying problem. Boom, Wirtschaftswunder.

    Now the problem is that we've exceeded our planet's sustainable carrying capacity. The underlying problem is much less tractable. Trump was basically a forced error; there's no way to maintain positive-sum politics in a negative-sum habitat.

    480:

    There is a third way of calling an early UK election. And that's to repeal the Fixed Term Parliament Act first. I've seen it suggested that this might be the fastest and least disruptive way for a government with a majority to call an election if they felt it was necessary.

    481:

    when the food delivery chain stops, the cities and suburbs alike will empty as starving bands roam the countryside looking for the last calories. And since you can't say "urban" in this country without racial encoding

    But you could argue that they're like preppers in other countries, and thus may well be less racist than it looks. In Australia we have a possibly edifying cross-over between the bush food people who are obviously heavily into first nations knowledge and culture (a diverse lot, from inner city gourmets to permaculturists), and preppers of various sorts.

    There's not as much obvious racism in those groups as in Australian culture at large. They're definitely not preparing to slaughter specifically aboriginal, or even non-white, hordes. This being Australia, quite a few of them are planning to let the landscape and fauna do most of the slaughtering :)

    What disconcerts me about a lot of those people is that often aboriginal knowledge is filtered and only becomes "real" once it's expounded by a white man. This also annoys some of the actual aboriginal people who are doing the research.

    482:

    Thanks! - Interesting read. Do wonder whether the protagonist hadn't already been infected with a different virus but his T-cells came up with ALAS antibodies, so ended up unaffected.

    483:

    And ... the person to thank for all of this is wanker Corbyn .....

    And "hard" Brexit is not inevitable, but it is much more likely - how nice!

    484:

    We have a "maximum Term" for a UK parliament - 5 years to the day, since the last election (basically) We have to have a n other general election before $Date in May (?) 2020 ....

    485:

    Actually, reparations didn't do much harm. Germany was recovering nicely in the late 1920's, it was the global financial bubble that did the harm and helped get Hitler elected.

    486:

    you could argue that they're like preppers in other countries, and thus may well be less racist than it looks.

    Yes. Indeed my gut sense is that old-school USA survivalists are more racist than average (by quite a bit) and the emerging prepper subculture is a bit less racist than average. But this is the sea I swim in; my perspective is informed but perhaps not objective. I'm not trying to challenge Charlie's view-from-abroad so much as offering finer-grained nuance, for whomever might be interested in such.

    487:

    Piss off. Thee was a serious war on & it wasn't deliberate, except as in "oh shit, we can't feed these people"

    See also 19thC India, where the officials who did nothing, got very slow promotion, if at all & those who bust a gut trying to feed people got honours, medals & quick promotion.

    Also don't forget gross incompetence - the real killer in 1848 Ireland

    488:

    Fair enough. I think my point about the relative tractability of the causes still holds.

    489:

    That is just wrong as a matter of fact - even in california, which has absurdly expensive electricity and very cheap gasoline, the savings on fuel cost are very high - roughly a factor of four. - Now, airlines are only going to go electric if we get batteries which are more or less ship-stone quality, which would break so many other things about the way the world works that I do not know where to begin, but heck, it's a sector of the economy which is small and specialized enough that options that aren't nessesarily easy to roll out to consumer usage - Synfuels, air-breathing flow batteries, and other tricks.

    The whole eliminationist tendency is driving me up the wall. It is the child of learned helplessness - Something has gone very wrong in the way we respond to enviormental problems. The problems are real. Just as real as the rivers catching fire were. But they are also solvable - and by that I mean that they can be solved without hairshirts or skull mountains. But currently, we have a movement which denies there's a problem, and a another that far too frequently denies the possibility of solutions, and the thing that bugs me is that I can see where the denial comes from. It's vile, and shortsighted, but.. I understand why the people who profit from trashing the planet deny that's what they're doing. I do not understand the doomer tendency at all. Where's the emotional hook? Where's the profit? Is it all a psyops from the right that ate the brains of the internet? That'd at least make sense.

    490:

    This would be Jean-Claude "keep voting until you deliver the result I want, then stop" Junker, arch soft-fascist reducer of democracy to a meaningless ritual, agent of the Beige Dictatorship, and symbolic embodiment of what so many people dislike about the EU?

    491:

    You're right, however, that healthcare was definitely a horrible cave-in.

    He simply didn't have the votes. A couple of Senate Republicans made noises, but never cast a single vote to help Obama. And two very conservative Democratic Senators from solidly red states who were retiring at the end of their terms, and one Dem from a state where no one votes against Big Insurance. So 43 votes in the Senate that wouldn't approve even a public option, let alone full Medicare-for-all, and f*ck-all for leverage on them. 57 votes doesn't get you anything in the way of major policy in the Senate -- it takes 60 to bring the matter to a final vote. And he certainly didn't have 50 votes necessary to blow up the filibuster on policy legislation at that time.

    Although I will not be surprised if the filibuster goes late in 2017 -- the US is pretty clearly headed towards a pseudo-parliamentary system, where those who hold all of the House, the Senate, and the Presidency pass what they want, and nothing happens in years when control of those is split. (I am less pessimistic about a coup or martial law or any of that stuff than some.)

    492:

    To be fair, no mid-1840's European government could have done much about the Irish famine; they didn't have the information-gathering capacity, the administrative structure, or the resources.

    An independent Irish government -- which would have been dominated by landowners in alliance with the middle classes -- would probably have done less.

    Virtually no farmers starved in Ireland during the Famine; even small tenant farmers usually survived. The people who died were landless laborers and their families (a majority of the rural Irish at the time) and "cottars", people who got a small potato-patch in return for semi-bound labor for farmers (themselves usually tenants).

    But a lot of Irish -landlords- went bust because London tried very hard to make Irish landowners pay for the cost of famine relief, which was orthodox political economy at the time. About a quarter to a third of the land of Ireland changed hands in the ensuing generation, often being bought by rising Catholics.

    The actual Irish peasantry, who didn't become demographically dominant until the 1870's when famine and emigration had swept away most of the laborers and cottars, reacted to the famine with understandable brutality, guarding their property and leaving the really poor to die.

    Mind you, without what the British government did several more million would have died.

    493:

    The problems are real. Just as real as the rivers catching fire were. But they are also solvable - and by that I mean that they can be solved without hairshirts or skull mountains.

    Hi there.

    Friendly(ish) source (when not screaming).

    Please explain the real solutions to parts of the Bay of Bengal entering a phase where the only other three on the planet (that you're aware of) when monitored have done nothing but enlargen over time.

    Here's the map. That's about the size of the Netherlands, for scale.

    https://interactive.guim.co.uk/uploader/embed/2017/01/bay_of_bengal/giv-39020noC52bsrBUK/

    There's two things in play here: drastic "resource" depletion (by this, protein / every thing that lives there) but also the more worrying about currents (on a scale of "this is how we know oceans really do die, here's the paelo records")

    Giant Hydrogen Sulfide Plume in the Oxygen Minimum Zone off Peru Supports Chemolithoautotrophy Plos One, full text, no download required.

    Now, there's meta-meta commentary here, and since you're confident about solutions, please tell me why I just linked to a paper more concerned about chemistry than biology.

    Or, rather, see this:

    A chemolithoautotroph is an autotrophic microorganism that obtains energy by oxidizing inorganic compounds. Most chemolithotrophs​ are autotrophs. Examples of relevant inorganic electron donors include hydrogen, hydrogen sulfide, ferrous iron, and ammonia. Winogradsky described the concept of chemolithoautotrophy for the first time while studying the ammonia-oxidizing bacteria.

    Chemolithoautotroph Springer, amusingly from The Encylopedia of ASTROBIOLOGY.

    There's a reason that's funny.

    Spoilers: it's probably not for the reason you're imagining.

    494:

    Not necessarily.

    I stepped over the dead and dying bodies of famine victims on my way to school on occasion in my childhood. I saw people beaten to death (I'm pretty sure) by the police; or at least severely injured.

    And once when I was about 11, I walked into a small room where two men had killed each other with pangas (machetes) while blitzed out on Nubian Gin.(*)

    There were pools of blood on the floor, bits and pieces (a thumb, I think, but it was certainly a digit), and when something dropped on my head I looked up and blood dripped into my mouth and eyes (tastes nasty).

    My observation is not that this made me more "empathetic" about human suffering. Less so, if anything.

    (*) the local moonshine, by rumor distilled using old car radiators. It could do odd things to your central nervous system.

    495:

    Hint:

    You get decent ecologies with multi-cellular warzones that might get a shell in about a few hundred million years and complex biological processes like "eyes", ooooh, about a billion - two billion years post the time when the chemolithoautotrophes were a "thing".

    I'd really stop worrying about Trump and start sectioning the morons who will eradicate your species.

    I thought this was a basic premise of MBA "PREDATOR" culture?

    496:

    Oh, and a friend of my family was abducted by Idi Amin's men and taken out into the bundu to be killed. He jimmied the lock on the trunk of the car into which they'd stuffed him, rolled out into the night and managed to walk to the Kenyan border.

    497:

    Concerning the Great Famine, Wikipedia says:

    In part, the Great Famine may have been caused by an intense drought resulting in crop failure in the Deccan Plateau. However, the commodification of grain, and the cultivation of alternate cash crops also may have played a role, as could have the export of grain by the colonial government; during the famine the viceroy, Lord Lytton, oversaw the export to England of a record 6.4 million hundredweight (320,000 ton) of wheat.

    The famine occurred at a time when the colonial government was attempting to reduce expenses on welfare. Earlier, in the Bihar famine of 1873–74, severe mortality had been avoided by importing rice from Burma. However, the Government of Bengal and its Lieutenant-Governor, Sir Richard Temple, were criticized for excessive expenditure on charitable relief. Sensitive to any renewed accusations of excess in 1876, Temple, who was now Famine Commissioner for the Government of India, insisted not only on a policy of laissez faire with respect to the trade in grain, but also on stricter standards of qualification for relief and on more meager relief rations. Two kinds of relief were offered: "relief works" for able-bodied men, women, and working children, and gratuitous (or charitable) relief for small children, the elderly, and the indigent.

    The insistence on more rigorous tests for qualification, however, led to strikes by "relief workers" in the Bombay presidency. Furthermore, in January 1877, Temple reduced the wage for a day's hard work in the relief camps in Madras and Bombay—this 'Temple wage' consisted of 450 grams (1 lb) of grain plus one anna for a man, and a slightly reduced amount for a woman or working child, for a "long day of hard labour without shade or rest." The rationale behind the reduced wage, which was in keeping with a prevailing belief of the time, was that any excessive payment might create 'dependency' (or "demoralization" in contemporaneous usage) among the famine-afflicted population.

    Temple's recommendations were opposed by a number of officials, including William Digby and the physician W. R. Cornish, Sanitary Commissioner for the Madras Presidency. Cornish argued for a minimum of 680 grams (1.5 lb) of grain and, in addition, supplements of vegetables and protein, especially if the individuals were performing strenuous labor in the relief works. However, Lytton supported Temple, who argued that "everything must be subordinated to the financial consideration of disbursing the smallest sum of money."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_of_1876–78

    Similarly, its potted history of Temple:

    He was made lieutenant-governor of Bengal Presidency in 1874, and did admirable work during the famine of 1874, importing half a million tons of rice from Burma to bring substantial relief to the starving. The British government, dogmatically committed to a laissez-faire economic policy, castigated Temple for interfering in the workings of the market. He was appointed by the Viceroy as a plenipotentiary famine delegate to Madras during the famine of 1877 there. Seeing this appointment as an opportunity to "retrieve his reputation for extravagance in the last famine" Temple implemented relief policies that failed to relieve widespread starvation and prevent the death of millions.

    Temple tried to determine the minimum amount of food Indians could survive on. In his experiments, "strapping fine fellows" were starved until they resembled "little more than animated skeletons ... utterly unfit for any work", he noted. In the labour camps he set up, inmates were given fewer daily calories than in the Buchenwald concentration camp 80 years later.

    His services were recognised with a baronetcy in 1876. In 1877 he was made Governor of Bombay Presidency, and his activity during the Afghan War of 1878-80 was untiring.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Richard_Temple,_1st_Baronet

    This matches the histories I've read (admittedly years ago). The one that springs to mind is Late Victorian Holocausts, as it's on my bookshelf. Others were library books, but if they haven't rearranged the shelves too much I could probably find them again.

    Doesn't sound like Temple was rewarded for famine relief.

    If you have sources to the contrary I'd be interested in reading them.

    498:

    Spoilers: We'll make it easy, since you might not be a biologist.

    One of the most common "fixes" suggested for warming involves ferrous oxide and algae and so on.

    Hint: some chemolithoautotrophes also feed off that.

    So: Which one wins? And what's the byproducts of both?

    Spoiler: One is a little bit more toxic to organic life than just lack of oxygen (in some cases, species dependent).

    499:

    No, the "special action groups" were cheaper and faster at killing large numbers of people.

    Shooting was more efficient than gas.

    The camps were used instead because of the political fallout from "massacre in place", and because the wastage among the executioners had gotten very high.

    The aim of the extermination camps was to keep the killing out of sight, and to limit the number of Germans who had to do actual hands-on stuff.

    500:

    Oh, and reddit banned /r/altright and a few others.

    For Greg, here is the much over-used but popular "Citizen Kane clapping" meme

    Well Done

    ~

    Why tech bros shouldn't run an ice-cream parlor (that's an American political joke about Spicer): each and every time you purge the nests, they infect the larger bodies. We've seen it again and again.

    Spoilers: they figured this out about six years ago, and some of the more dangerous even bothered with viral infection data maps / theory (hint: Popular Game - the meme is Madagascar: Pandemic).

    Now, the tech bros know this (or should): so they're deliberately spreading the infection. We presume because of Higher Up reasons (net neutrality, closing down access, CTR / Brock bollocks or maybe they're also now infected with "burn it down" viral load. Hard to tell)

    ~

    shrugs

    501:

    ACTION: BANNON IS AN ALT-RIGHT NAZI REACTION: BAN THEM BEFORE SPONSORS FIND OUT (c.f. Paying Breitbart’s bills: Advertisers pulling away from hateful content now that Steve Bannon is in the White House Salon, 30th Nov 2016)

    SYNTHESIS: ALT-RIGHT BURSTS AND SPREADS ALL OVER YOUR NETWORK

    Seriously.

    The Dark Enlightenment (well, perhaps two) actually understand Rhizomes (well, ok, badly: e.g. Situational Assessment 2017: Trump Edition Medium random wanker called Jordan Greenhall, 25th Jan 2017

    And the "resistance" is stuck in the lands of 60's protest songs, worrying about semantics still (trust me, that shit breaks down real fast) and imagining Reality exists in their schema anymore.

    ~

    Seriously.

    They're going to kill you.

    Grow up.

    502:

    SFReader@13:

    Suggestions:

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/ an essay by Umberto Eco in the New York Review of Books.

    The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer - on the psychological mindset of Right Wing Authoritarians, people who are predisposed to follow authoritarian leaders. Free PDF book.

    I have a book that discusses Hitler's obsession with laughter - his burning resentment at being laughed at, and his savage pleasure at laughing at those who mocked him. It was an interesting perspective on one of his motivations that I don't often see discussed. I'm reminded of it by the thin skin of Trump. Unfortunately it's in a subduction zone of my books, but if I find it, I'll post the title.

    Daniel Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners is worth a look at too. The book has many critics, see the wikipedia page. I do remember finding his blanket and unqualified use of the word 'Germans' jarring. I think in later editions he addresses the point. It examines the roles of 'ordinary' people in carrying out the 'final solution', and attempts to turn over simplistic ideas that many of the perpetrators were coerced into participating.

    A few years back, I read a book -from the library, I forget the title, which was a survey of then-current tyrannical regimes. It discussed ways to reduce the number of dictatorships in the world, and was optimistic in that it estimated that the number of dictatorships was shrinking over time. This was just before the Arab Spring and its subsequent collapse. I fear we have gone backwards now.

    503:

    Spoiler: One is a little bit more toxic to organic life than just lack of oxygen (in some cases, species dependent). So, looking at the seminal paper (I think): Massive release of hydrogen sulfide to the surface ocean and atmosphere during intervals of oceanic anoxia and a comment on it with a simple feedback analysis (via wikipedia, fwiw): Positive Reinforcement, H2S, and the Permo-Triassic Extinction: Comment and Reply From the former (which has hundreds of citations in google scholar), We thus propose (1) chemocline upward excursion as a kill mechanism during the end-Permian, Late Devonian, and Cenomanian–Turonian extinctions, and (2) persistently high atmospheric H2S levels as a factor that impeded evolution of eukaryotic life on land during the Proterozoic. Sounds really really bad but land life did recover from the extinction events. (Irrelevant on a human scale, or for the other species that go extinct.) Also, if we assume continued advances in organism (genetic) engineering the outcome is not something I can even attempt to predict, if engineered replicating organisms are used for geoengineering. Not arguing, just looking at the literature. Which is depressing. Also, I vaguely recall reading about a minor extinction event somewhere around 40-60 Ma being being attributed to CO2 release from an asteroid impact in the ocean, but haven't found it.

    504:

    Thank you for opening this space, Charlie. I find this forum a safe place to discuss the current woes, with people who post intelligently, respectfully, and with dignity (apart from the occasional post-300 squabble).

    505:

    Also, I vaguely recall reading about a minor extinction event somewhere around 40-60 Ma being being attributed to CO2 release from an asteroid impact in the ocean, but haven't found it. Left out the rest of the recollection of the article; that the impact-caused CO2 spike caused rapid warming which caused a (toxic) H2S spike.

    506:

    Very much!

    I just had a simple slightly contrary query on a mainstream media answered with "I don't talk to Lefties". With capital. Which is funny, but also annoying. I wanted to know what evidence they had for a statement since it seemed to be stated as a fact but also seemed unlikely to me. Now I'm thinking it's not a fact.

    507:

    Yes.

    That's why us Science types often look a little more mad than the rest of you. It's cause we actually understand things.

    x4 events, in major ocean structures is... bad.

    It's worse than extreme depletion of fish stocks, and that's BAD.

    ~

    But don't worry, remember that Trump is reaaaaaly unpopular with the Military, right?

    Military convoy spotted near Louisville flying Donald Trump flag belonged to SEAL unit, U.S. Navy spokesperson says. http://abcn.ws/2kXXMjo ABC News, Twitter, 1st Feb, 2017.

    This is how it plays out:

    You gather up a lot of .mil peeps (hint: mostly the SPEC OPs, but also others, you've got the entire Oathbreakers and so on) who know people in the "GAME" of contracting, who all made x100 the money and got benefits and got the lifestyle, and, I don't know, you point out all the fucking oil and business and Goldman Sachs contracts that they were actually fighting for.

    And you put a fucking movie on.

    It's by Clint Eastward.

    It's called: American Sniper

    And, you know: you point to fucking scum like Dynacorp and Bacha bazi and so on, all put forward by the Intel OP/PSY which they all hated and the regs and not whacking the actual bad guys because the fucking CIA needed them to run drugs for geopolitical reasons.

    Know what you've got?

    Well.

    I'm sure ABC's newsteam will double-triple check their story, but sure as shit.

    Ask any ingame op what they hated most?

    Mostly the fucks they had to protect.

    508:

    Thank you for opening this space, Charlie. Likewise. Favorite place on the internet. Being strongly encouraged to supply links by WS et al has been good as well (and carried over into locally interpersonal and work life).

    For those that don't look at phys.org, A biomimetic robotic platform to study flight specializations of bats We have created a fully self-contained, autonomous flying robot that weighs 93 grams, called Bat Bot (B2), to mimic such morphological properties of bat wings. Instead of using a large number of distributed control actuators, we implement highly stretchable silicone-based membrane wings that are controlled at a reduced number of dominant wing joints to best match the morphological characteristics of bat flight. (via)

    509:

    Oh, and ffs.

    ANY MEDIA STORY INCLUDING SPEC OPS IS BULLSHIT

    Obama announcing the "assassination" of Bin Ladin on the historic day of Hitler's death with fireworks and baying crowds.

    Bullshit.

    Picture of them all in a tiny room watching in askance of the feed?

    Bullshit.

    The people running this know this:

    The story about Yemen, the child dying (!!USA KILLS CHILD CITIZEN !!).

    Holy fuck, it's a massive set-up. Pictures of the child in 44mins of PR of the "OPERATION".

    They're gonna push the real story soon and burn. Bannon is gonna push with the whole PR Kuwait "babies thrown out of incubators" false media stuff to senate and then fucking BURN any and all "major media" in the USA who ran the story.

    FAKE NEWS: HERE IT IS FOLKS

    This shit is easy. And y'all are falling for it. Which kinda suggests we should probably go hire ourselves to the Other Side - they pay, and we're good at this.

    EDIT:

    Not Good, מִיכָאֵל‎: We're the Best

    Ich Bin Ein Auslander YT, Music: PWEI, 4:09

    Oh, and we know we've linked to this before. We just making a fucking point.

    510:

    And, ffs.

    Dead OP in a box that the Pres is visiting: real.

    Can't fake that, esp. with Spice the "OOPS, my bubble gum ran out" leaker.

    You don't send in 10+ ops to a fucking domestile in Yemen where the major perp + son + daughter etc exist unless:

    a) Major intel site

    b) Actual Bond Villain lair

    or

    c) You're going to lay this down as a major fubar intel fuck-up where CIA/NSA/INTEL sent good old American boys to die into a hot situation that had no real benefit and lead to the death of a little girl, who happened to be an American.

    or

    d) You're attempting to summon the Wrath and need some egregious bullshit to do so. Child sacrifice, Khorn, done and done.

    ~

    Really.

    C)

    Trump inherited this from Obama. They'll probably get a decent spike to nod that it was leaked to fuck with the new guys as well, then show just how Saud / Iran money was hiding these people with full knowledge of CIA/NSA intel as well.

    All.

    In.

    A.

    Fucking.

    Bow.

    ~

    watches America not understand just how the Game is played

    Hmm

    511:

    Oh, ffs - get the fucking rabbits away from the Game:

    A White House official said the operation was thoroughly vetted by the previous administration and that the previous defense secretary had signed off on it in January. The raid was delayed for operational reasons, the White House official said.

    The American elite forces did not seize any militants or take any prisoners offsite, but White House spokesman Sean Spicer said on Wednesday the raid yielded benefits.

    "Knowing that we killed an estimated 14 AQAP members and that we gathered an unbelievable amount of intelligence that will prevent the potential deaths or attacks on American soil – is something that I think most service members understand, that that’s why they joined the service,” Spicer said.

    U.S. military probing more possible civilian deaths in Yemen raid Reuters, Feb 1st 2017.

    Hint: If it's on a computer, you can hack it. Took ~81 minutes to find the little girls Disney / Club Penguin account.

    They fucking got rid of some people who knew too much, that's it.

    Black OP raid, they'll hit the +1 American death to pre-thought / intel fuck ups and it'll never be an issue again.

    ~

    Watches the Americans go insane because they cannot deal with the fact that their government is based on murder

    512:

    Oh, and looking at data: "Missile Strike was considered too much collateral".

    Bullshit. Whose buying this entire "one bird down, back-up required, most females had guns" stuff anyhow. Hmm. Pepperidge Farm remembers Obama and a bird down. Or China and that Stealth helicopter.

    Ah.

    It's all about treaties, actually. USA can't launch airstrikes in Yemen; c.f. that old Djibouti sea nonsense strike back at "stations on the ocean border". So why isn't Saud covering and not striking?

    Pro-tip: If the media states a helicopter "went down", it means something else: usually Americans need to drop / ditch hardware on site to prove it was them, not something else. You really think that stealth OPs pilots are that crap that they all accidentally crash? Go look up Afgan / Iraq - those birds were flown by pros who got home in silly pieces (including blindness in one case).

    "BROKEN ARROW".

    Ahh. Found it.

    Now that's brutal. Nasty fucking ride there Mr Saud Prince. All those children.

    [REDACTED].

    USA.

    Stalwart Ally.

    Don't store USBs in your kids' teddy bears if they contain data about Saud finance and scandals.

    Because kids: they will fucking kill you for it, and send boots to make sure it's found.

    True. Fucking. Story.

    Get fucked you psychos.

    513:

    Charlie @ 420: On a more immediate scale, because people don't like picking up and leaving everything they've ever known unless they absolutely have to, what's likely to happen is this: Bangladeshi fishermen will move away from their current un-fishable fishing grounds, and start impinging on the fishing grounds of their neighbours - India and Myanmar. Myanmar abuts Thailand, Thailand abuts Cambodia, Cambodia abuts Vietnam, and Vietnam, unfortunately, abuts the South China Sea, which is already a rather nasty potential hot-spot for regional, if not global, conflict (the "global" potential depends on how muscular the USA wants to get about the idea of dealing with the Chinese there).

    julian.bond @ 430: actually, by boat there's this nice big land mass which is severely under-populated by South Asian standards just off to the South-East. It's called Australia, you may have heard of it? At present, our "northern borders" are kept "secure" by a combination of terror campaigns in the media in places like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Myanmar, and Indonesia (all saying "you really don't want to come here, trust us"), and nigh-continuous patrolling of the northern waterways in order to intercept boats attempting to island-hop from places like Timor, Indonesia, and Papua New Guinea.

    Bangladeshi boat people would be coming in from an unexpected angle (there was a boat of asylum seekers from, I think, Sri Lanka, who made it all the way down the west coast as far as Geraldton before anyone was even aware they were out there - the Indian Ocean is a big place, and if you have enough supplies to be able to avoid traditional shipping lanes, you're likely to elude a lot of existing surveillance). There's a high likelihood we might have to be dusting off the immigration camps in Exmouth and setting up new ones near Broome and Port Hedland, in order to deal with the influx. Certainly, if you put enough boats in the water, you're going to be able to get past Australia's current naval "blockade", because our navy just isn't big enough, and we have lots and lots of coastline.

    Lots of coastline. There was one bunch of Chinese asylum seekers who made landfall north of Derby back in the 1980s or 1990s, and just walked inland until they ran into other human beings. They were picked up well inland.

    The Vietnamese "boat people" were notorious for arriving here in the 1970s crammed onto fishing boats as tightly as they could pack 'em. I doubt the Bangladeshis are going to turn up their noses at the idea.

    Now, there's only really one problem with all of this: Australia, despite all its open space and low population density, isn't a place with an ecosystem capable of taking on up to 100 million Bangladeshis (not to mention everyone else who'd be interested in coming here). The soils are depleted or non-existent, the water reserves aren't up to the job, and we're really in a situation where about the only thing which was keeping our previous migration policies from the "populate or perish" era going was the fact our birth rate is under the replacement level. But these days, we're starting to realise it's not "populate OR perish" but rather "populate AND perish" - we need to knock the population down a fair old amount or the ecosystem here is going to collapse in on itself in a rather major way.

    andy @467: Well, you see, that's another of the things us Aussies have to worry about. Because one of the things which has been waiting in the wings, so to speak (and which tends to be worrying the hospitals in Northern Queensland already) is MRTB - multiply resistant tuberculosis.

    Tuberculosis, if you remember back to your Victorian-era romance novels, was the disease which basically rotted a person's lungs from the inside, making them terribly pale and delicate and interesting in the last month or two before they finally died from suffocation, coughing up bloody lung tissue all the way. It was the scourge of the poorer classes, it spread like wildfire from droplet infection, and it was never actually eradicated in the poorer parts of the world. Instead, it's been clinging on there, and evolving into a form which resists most forms of antibiotics (which, along with better nutrition and higher standards of public health, had cleared it out of the first world, and rendered it a pale shadow of its former self within a human lifetime). There are antibiotic resistant forms of TB endemic to some of the poorer islands of Papua New Guinea in the Torres Strait, and there's starting to be a reserve of MRTB building up in the Torres Strait Islander population as well.

    Now into this region, throw 100 million malnourished Bangladeshis.

    Book your seat in the hand-basket now, it's going to get crowded really soon.

    514:

    Hitler's obsession with laughter?

    Dude, newsflash: nobody likes being mocked. Mockery is never intended to make those who are the objects of it laugh; it's intended to make them -bleed-. The intent is to hurt and harm; it's a psychological weapon.

    The difference between Hitler's reaction and most people's is that Hitler actually killed people who mocked him, rather than just thinking about it.

    Because... Hitler.

    Stalin and Mao were the same way. It's your standard murderous dictator "thing".

    515:

    It's fairly easy to control refugee movements; it just depends on what you're willing to do. Bangladesh keeps Rohinga from Burma out for the most part, for example.

    516:

    .. Iron fertilization is only a sensible move in the high ocean low productivity zones. Anoxia is a product of low mixing of the deep waters, excessive nutrient runoff from agriculture and insufficient filterfeeders. All of those are attackable problems, tough obviously you start by establishing artificial oyster reefs. It's not like Bangladesh is short of manpower that could be applied to a solution that would yield economic return.

    517:

    @513(joat):

    Well, yeah, mostly. Depends on how harsh the mockery is. And how thin one's skin is. Some of us can cope with some chiding. My kids give me shit sometimes - and sometimes, it is funny. The little fucks. But I don't add them to my death list.

    Some people can take a joke. Trump, on the other hand, not so much. There's that footage of him stony-faced when Obama gave a speech making fun of the birther nonsense. He couldn't even pretend to be a good sport for the cameras. That weird vicious speech he gave at that candidate's dinner. His reaction to Baldwin's parody.

    Right now, a lot of people are mocking Trump. Noah, Colbert, Baldwin, Bee. Cartoonists. I'm worried their names are going on some horrible list. That creepy woman who said that Trump was keeping an enemies list?

    Anyway, it was not my thesis, it was in that book. Sigh. Now I have to go and dig through boxes. I'll probably exhume decades-old viruses.

    What the author's essay was about was, if you look at Hitler's speeches, there is a number of references to "laughter". IIRC, the author's sense was that this was a bit unusual, but that's an empirical question, I don't know if it's right.

    Some politicians get mocked by political cartoonists, they shrug it off, mostly. Some even buy the original cartoons and frame them. That arsehole Hitler, any slight stayed with him. "Laughing" was oddly, a common theme in his speeches.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/hitler-speech-at-the-berlin-sports-palace-january-30-1941 - 5 uses of laugh*

    or go to http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/hitler-s-threats-against-the-jews-1941-1945 and grep for 'laugh' - it'll take you to a famous quotation about laughing.

    or this one: http://holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/jewishquestion.html Jan 30 1939, another passage about laughter.

    (Urgh, I need a shower. Searching for "hitler speech laugh" brings up some really shitty URLs. I believe the ones I've given here are not objectionable, Charlie please zap them if I've chosen poorly.)

    If you look at footage of some of Hitler's speeches, some of them have a kind of call-response structure - Hitler makes a sarcastic remark, the crowd of thugs laugh uproariously. I can't watch them for too long, because I don't understand German.

    I think there's something in this - perhaps having a thin skin is a necessary condition for becoming a dictator... W. Reich has been discredited in many ways, but I still think there is a huge psychological component to fascism.

    We had a fairly authoritarian government in Queensland, who tried demonising bikies, framing special legislation for breaking their groups up, special rules for imprisoning them and so on. But the thing that said to me that there was some kind of non-rational psychological aspect was when they dictated that imprisoned bikies had to wear pink jumpsuits. Authoritarians have this thing with shame and humiliation - they use it to hurt their opponents, because it really hurts them, more than most laid-back people.

    518:

    You got it.

    I suspect if it wasn't for J-C J, his big mouth & arrogant stance from a corrupt midget, that the "Brexit" referendum might easily have gone "remain". I only voted remain for long-term foreign-policy reasons, because it's obvious that the EU has lost its way, badly, but the alternatives are probably even worse. Not a good prospect in any direction

    519:

    Thank you What a lot of people (on this specific issue) forget is that the whole of Europe was suffering bad food shortages 1847-48, because of appalling weather & bad harvests. Hint: Revolutions swept Europe in 1848.

    520:

    Very interesting ... And not entirely contradicting what I've seen elsewhere. It obviously depends upon whose commentary you read. However, the book you refer to was written with the object of "proving" a point already determined-upon before the writer "put pen tp paper". Which doesn't help either.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Which reminds me, talking of predetermined conclusions: ARRRGH! Falwell (!) Education (!) Run away, now ...

    521:

    Yeah

    I got that one (!)

    Like "Momentum" in my area complaining that Stella is far too right-wing & trying to unseat the best & most popular MP we've ever had ... Whilst ignoring even May, never mind Trump & his fascist hordes. I would agree with the judgement: "fuckwits" here.

    522:

    So ... all we have to do is wait & see how long it is before Trumpolini kills someone for mocking him, then? By which time it will really be too late, of course.

    523:

    ...and probably precipitate Scottish independence

    Brexit, in any form, may be a breach of the Treaty of Union, and if so, should also cause, not just precipitate, Scottish independence. If so, its effects on the constitutional position of the 6 Counties could also be "interesting".

    524:

    Last for this spasm ...

    A slightly optimistic note HERE Fossil-fuel peak within 3-4 years, whatever happens, simply because the "alternative" technologies are racing ahead. We can hope so, anyway.

    525:

    I'm not denying that Australia has issues with illegal immigrants arriving by boat. But I am having a problem with scale. Aus is 7000 km from Bangladesh not just off to the SE. And there's currently 160m in Bangladesh and 1.8b in S Asia. My current mental image of refugees is 10s of thousands in small boats crossing narrow stretches of water between Tunisia/Libya and Sicily or Turkey to Greece. A collapse in S Asia leading to mass migration feels like a different problem by several orders of magnitude.

    526:

    There are some other "part-right" comments on this: The current position is that a parliamentary term is 5 years, unless the term is curtailed by a vote of no confidence in the government, followed by a failure to form a government within 14 days.

    527:

    Hey Wōdan Shodan, maybe you know something about this. Video streaming services like Netflix and Stan - has the viewing history of users been used to make inferences about people's political tendencies?

    528:

    I'm actually put in mind of something from Snow Crash, if you've read it - it features "The Raft", a floating refugee city built around an old aircraft carrier.

    529:

    Yours is "part right" too - you forgot snap elections.

    The Act provides that parliamentary general elections take place every five years on the first Thursday in May. It also provides for early general elections if either the House of Commons votes for an early general election or following the failure of the House to agree a vote of confidence in a new government within 14 days of a vote of no confidence in the government holding office.

    http://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/genelec2010faq/

    530:

    Good point: Jaju is now banned.

    (Reminder: a good chunk of my moderation policy boils down to "actual no-shit fascists will be punched". If you're unhappy about that, I'd like to draw your attention to my ethnic origin and invite you to micturate elsewhere.)

    531:

    we've exceeded our planet's sustainable carrying capacity — yes, but only if we try to sustain it by sticking to previous methods.

    Disruption is coming: solar power is likely to halt fossil fuel growth by 2020, cut fossil fuel consumption by 2025, and drive coal out of the market altogether by 2050 — on conservative assumptions of growth: if further tech breakthroughs occur it'll happen sooner. Solar on its own isn't growing fast enough to reverse our carbon dioxide emission push, but again: this is just one factor of many.

    Frankly, if we had stopped all technological and agricultural development in 1970, we'd have starved (for gigacide levels of starvation) by 1990; the Green Revolution — which most of us never even noticed — saved us.

    Yes, I will concede that the human condition in the 21st century is one of dynamic instability. Like those fly by wire aircraft that can only maintain controlled flight by constant feedback inputs too rapid for a human pilot, we can't survive if we try to rely on homeostasis and existing methods. But we're far from doomed, Trump is not an appropriate survival response — he's actually the opposite (look at his approach to science funding!) — and the war isn't lost unless we surrender.

    532:

    effects on the constitutional position of the 6 Counties could also be "interesting"

    And probably best observed from far far away.

    If you're interested, for extra insight into the chaos and confusion being piled onto the Brexit cluster-fuck in NI, google "RHI scandal".

    533:

    Now, the tech bros know this (or should): so they're deliberately spreading the infection.

    Not all of them; some have woken up and realized what's going on. YCombinator are funding the ACLU, for example (and it's going to be interesting to see what the ACLU make of a seething horde of incubator bunnies). Jeff Bezos is pointing Amazon's lawyers at the middle east ban.

    I think this is probably far too little and too late — the Senate filibuster is going to be history by April at this rate — but not all of them are on board with the neo-nazis.

    But yeah, we're at the stage now where the infection amplifies and goes pandemic. I am lazy and can't locate references right now, but going from memory both the NSDAP and the Bolshevik party experienced membership surges on the order of 250-1000% within 12 months of becoming a faction in government: the combination of visibility and actual agency (access to the levers of power) brings the fellow-travellers to the table, and then control of the state brings the hangers-on, "paper bolsheviks" and "March violets" who join the party opportunistically and parrot the doctrine in order to advance their careers.

    534:

    Frankly, if we had stopped all technological and agricultural development in 1970, we'd have starved (for gigacide levels of starvation) by 1990; the Green Revolution — which most of us never even noticed — saved us.

    The time when I really realized this was when re-read Caves of Steel a couple of years ago. In it, the people of Earth need to live in the said caves, because the land is needed for agriculture. I think the book mentions five billion people.

    535:

    See also my link about "Peak Coal+ Oil by 2020" @ 523?

    @ 532 ... ah "that infection" a mind-meme of licking the dictator's arse, yes?

    However, there is also the other driver for that Late Heavy Enrolment ( yes, that was a pun ) .. Called "protecting your own backside". Being a Party member gave you some slight greater protection from the security-goons than if you were (or are) not a member

    536:

    obviously you start by establishing artificial oyster reefs

    See also ocean acidification. Kinda hard to deposit calcium carbonate/aragonite in surface waters where the pH is dropping due to carbonic acid (which is what you get when enough carbon dioxide dissolves in water).

    537:

    For a much more recent version of the party enrollment thing, see the Ba'ath Party in Iraq prior to 2003. About 15% of the population, if I remember correctly — teachers, cops, army officers, doctors, architects, just about everybody who wasn't a grunt labourer had to join if they wanted to work.

    This level of party membership brings the middle class professionals under party surveillance and control, of course, as was depicted in '1984' (Orwell had seen it in action and knew what the Outer Party was all about).

    538:

    Agreed; my use of "interesting" was, of course, as in the Chinese curse "may you live in interesting times". If you don't understand that, and hope that times will soon get less interesting, then you've not been paying attention!

    539:

    Still need to solve the problem of energy storage to make renewables a truly viable energy option. For now the most economical way of storing peak solar/wind power for later use when the sun goes down and the wind stops blowing is to pump water up a hill to a reservoir and let it drain down trough turbines later. Molten salt heat storage looks promising as well. But neither is very practical for Joe Homeowner. And they don't achieve the real goal of a renewable energy based civilization:

    Individual freedom from what Frank Herbert called "hydraulic despotism" and implosion of our oligarchic power structure.

    The first civilization along the Nile, Tigris/Euphrates, Indus and Yangtze were hydraulic despotism ruled by priests kings who's real source of power was their control fo the engineering structures that controlled water for farming and their subjects. Our current priest kings don't control water, they control oil.

    But if every family could provide themselves all of the power they needed then the entire power structure collapses.

    540:

    But if every family could provide themselves all of the power they needed

    Congratulations, you just invented a new kind of despotism (ownership of the battery/PV cell/turbine generator factory or supply chain)!

    You also turned ownership of south-facing versus north-facing hillsides into a justification for petty warfare.

    Reminder: autarchy sucks. Things work so much better when we admit that we're social animals and codependency is to be welcomed rather than feared.

    541:

    Just an editorial comment (sort of), people have already started saying "regime" rather than "administration". This is in line with the recent statement by Reuters.

    542:

    There is codependency and then there is hierarchy with the wealthy and powerful hydraulic despots effectively controlling our government (see Trump's cabinet).

    Apparently mankind has never escaped feudalism of one kind or another, either hidden or open, whether run by nobility or The Inner Party, corporations or state religions.

    I'd place my hopes on genetically engineered yeast or other bugs that can excrete methane or diesel fuel in large quantities. No different than brewing your own beer. Converting sunlight and waste water to liqid fuel also solves the energy storage problem while being carbon neutral.

    543:

    A delicate balancing act ....

    Err Damian @ 540 Linkie, please?

    545:

    I apologize for not speaking up, but I was struggling to find the words, because he set up an extreme hypothetical, and it's hard to counter fantasies. However, @John Hughes, others did challenge jaju on other claims, although not specifically on admitting to be a Le Pen voter.

    I think jaju argued that "burning it all down" was better than keeping going with what's there (governments, public service I guess) and trying to fix it. What happens after you burn it all down? Build again from scratch? How can anyone claim that the replacement would be better? Or worth more than the destruction? But there's the fantasy - that the world built after the great burn-down will be so much better than the one it replaces. How can you argue against a phantom?

    I did want to hear where that would go, because a lot of Trump voters, and pundits trying to explain the result, say that their reason for voting for Trump was to wreck the existing system, because it was indifferent to their hardships. There's that phantom again, that after the fire a phoenix arises. More likely, it'll just be ashes and human bones. My experience is that challenging phoenix-fantasies just degenerates into a no-it-won't-yes-it-will argument.

    546:

    Frankly, if we had stopped all technological and agricultural development in 1970, we'd have starved (for gigacide levels of starvation) by 1990; the Green Revolution — which most of us never even noticed — saved us.

    That's the nature of the Red Queen's Race; any success is undone by population increases. The world's population has more than doubled in our lifetimes. Technology has in many respects leveled off, so the basic risk/reward balance facing society is changing. This pushes societies away from open, exploratory behavior (liberalism, roughly), which no longer pays off enough to justify the risk.

    the war isn't lost unless we surrender

    It's not that I've given up, it's that I don't have even the beginnings of an idea of how to change the dynamic. Do you?

    547:

    Second derivative of population is negative. You don't have to keep improving forever, just hold out long enough.

    548:

    To elaborate a bit: My resume includes stints at five research-oriented startup companies and a couple of government labs. I've personally spent a few million dollars of other people's money trying to improve various technologies, to no practical effect whatsoever. I'm far from the only one.

    One major underlying problem is that R&D gives a lot less return on investment than it used to. If we could solve that problem, the resulting surpluses would improve most of our other problems. If we can't solve it, our population will outrun our production.

    Any ideas?

    550:

    Second derivative of population is negative Is it though? http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/#table-historical

    We've had 4 decades or so of linear growth: ~ +80m/yr. The UN is expecting at least another couple of decades of this under the medium fertility model before linear growth starts to noticeably drop off. So where we are now, the 2nd derivative is zero. But there is the promise that it will turn negative at some time in the near future. That's with historical data and future models that assume business as usual and no major Black Swans. The UN's models expect 10b around 2055 and no population peak this century. How long do you want to wait for the demographics to solve the problem while hoping global society can manage the side effects and while dodging the Black Swans? Can mankind really hold out for 150 years or so while the population settles gently back to something more sustainable?

    551:

    Since we're a fair way down the thread, and there seems to be at least some tangential interest, a quick question on post-Brexit UK politics...

    Perhaps naively I'd always assumed that a big fat "Fuck You" to 48% of the engaged electorate (and that's what a hard Brexit with no involvement, oversight, or representation in the process by anyone sympathetic to my interests feels like to me) would result in significant blood letting at the next election, and yet that's clearly TM's preferred outcome.

    Are there really no marginal seats with significant numbers of Remain voters?

    Am I missing something?

    Nobody seems to want to talk about this, and I kind of wonder why...

    552:

    Am I missing something?

    Factors you're missing:

    1) Conservative-led boundary changes/redistricting reducing the number of MPs, and coincidentally reducing the number of safe Labour seats while giving the Conservatives an entrenched majority

    2) Labour in meltdown mode (internal bloodletting)

    3) Liberal Democrats still clawing their way back from the brink as a result of the really inadvisable decision to piss off their base by going into coalition with the Conservatives in 2010

    4) Brexit is most popular in the Tory shires and the deprived/rust-belt urban Labour strongholds of the peripheral cities

    and

    5) Westminster seats are nearly as badly gerrymandered as the US Congress these days — elections are governed by a handful of two-way and three-way marginal constituencies, and Brexit can be fine-tuned there

    553:

    Re: that message of hope mentioned by OGH and Greg: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/02/electric-cars-cheap-solar-power-halt-fossil-fuel-growth-2020

    This is WHY Trump exists - to protect the carbon bubble and enable a fat exit from negative NPV oil and coal investments before economically rational sustainable energy puts a dent in carbon company / nation growth.

    Of course everyone here knows that already, but what the hell, worth mentioning. (You've all seen the Reuters / Daily Kos intrigue around the Rosneft sale I assume?)

    554:

    From what I understand "next elextion" would be in 2020, right?

    Maybe before that date EU will have lost other pieces, and then Brexit could be sold to public as a smart decision.

    555:

    To which I might add.

    No-one at all seems to be taking any notice of the actually very slim majority for "Brexit" which was probably a protest vote anyway.

    Plus: (2) It's even worse than that as Corbyn is utterly, totally incompetent to a point well beyond ridicule. (3) Lem-o-Crats are coming back, esp in by-elections as the message sinks in, but still very slow ... (4) Turkeys voting for christmas, but you explain that one .... (5) No ( & yes ) the constituency boundaries need re-drawing, but the proposed arrangement of new seats is a gross stitch-up, deliberately aiming for FEWER marginals.

    Our only hope is an amendment requiring a second referendum on the terms offered ( I think )

    Or, the Trump regime gets so bad, so fast, that people lose their nerve

    557:

    Ten billion is perfectly managable for the long haul. Far more so than the sort of chaos a gigadeaths would imply. People do not go quietly into the night - if there really is a plan to engineer famines, that's a terrible plan, not just morally, but also from a "sustainable" perspective a population which is starving is extremely hard on the ecosystem - Haiti is a good example of what that looks like. Deforestation, extinction by eating, ect.. Demograpic and economic transition into an urbanized steady-state population gets you societies that care about things other than "Not starving today" and with the skillsets to run a high-efficiency, closed cycle system. The important thing is that the total number isn't growing exponentially, because that really would be a problem - you can't recycle the toys of one billion into the new toys of 2, then four, ect.

    558:

    The "burn it down" sentiment in the US comes from 55 years of trying the only two choices offered one at a time, back and forth, and the end result being where we are now. They saw HC and the pack of R primary losers to DT as more of the same and are just fed up.

    PS: I think "they" are wrong. The Roman Empire died a long slow death. And it was painful. And the result in Europe wasn't instantly better. Or even better after a few 100 years. It took almost 1000 years before most of Europe could eat and not be raided by the guys over the hill carrying off your food, sons, and daughters every few years.

    559:

    Our only hope is an amendment requiring a second referendum on the terms offered ( I think )

    As I've said before on here, this is not possible by the EU rules. Once you (not you, personally, obviously) pull the Article 50 lever, the clock on the two years starts ticking. During those two years, you try to negotiate a treaty for what should happen after you leave. When the two years are up and you have a treaty - great, that's what you get. If by that time, you don't have a treaty you are either out with no treaty (bad) OR you manage to convince ALL THE OTHER MEMBER STATES(!) to vote UNANIMOUSLY(!) for an extension to the negotiation period.

    But nowhere at all in the rules does it say that after the treaty negotiations are done, you get to decide whether you want to exit with that treaty or stay inside. Once you trigger Article 50 YOU ARE OUT. The only thing left to decide is how, exactly, you are out.

    Everything else would be completely stupid. If it were the way you (personally) imagine, a nation could trigger Art50 as a test balloon to just see whether they'd get a good deal, and if they don't, no harm no foul. That doesn't work.

    560:

    Real quantum computing will probably appear shortly before fusion power ie both have been "10 years away" for the last 20-30. Plus they will probably require Strong AI to program them..

    561:

    Normally I don't bother replying to a comment if too many new ones have been posted. In this case there were 50 before I saw it and wasn't going to bother, now it's more than 100, and it's still bugging me this morning. So...

    I wish to submit into evidence Tex-Mex, Creole and Cajun as (Southern) USian cookery styles.

    I'm afraid you missed the point of my attempt at humor. There is no such thing as American Cuisine, there are many American cuisines, you name three. You can add Soul Food, Southern cooking, Jewish Deli, American Chinese Restaurant, and various First Nations styles, etc. You'll note what they all have in common; a) none of them are Bland, and b) none of them are from "White, Anglo-Saxon*" cultures (okay, Cajuns are 'white', but they're French-Canadian Refugees, and mixed in with the Creoles,, among others), and in the imagined T.Rump/Bannon future 'Merica none of that PoC food will be acceptable. So that leaves the stereotypical Manly Meal of Meat & Potatoes. See also: Trump Steaks.

    *insert your own English cooking joke.

    562:

    I am starting to be really scared by the combination of leaders and power-players increasingly accepting the loss of significant segments (double-digit percentages) of the global population combined with increased automation making significant segments (double-digit percentages) of the same unnecessary and even permanently useless from their point of view. What's worse, big data combined with deep learning and super-computing is on its way to making even more of us in the stem professions useless in the coming years, whilst robotics advances are cutting the service industries... Apart from our personal preferences for human contact, which jobs CAN'T be done by a machine in 20 years time? (Probably earlier, I am only tangentially involved in the topic, but people get drunk at conferences.)

    Could the current developments be actually aimed at the gigadeath described previously in the thread intentionally? - That would not be burning it all down from their perspective, just trimming the fat... Will our excess productivity lead to Asimov's Solaria rather than Banks' Culture?

    563:

    And you've been over-literal; my point was that there is usually no such thing as $nation cuisine. It all tends to be divided on a $provincial/$ethnic/$religious grouping basis.

    564:

    Like I said. Naive...

    565:

    In case you guys are curious about what's going on in the Philippines, here's a discussion from a blog in which I lurk

    http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=166048

    Note that Zinegata and Shroom Man 777 are Filipinos, and theirs is the ground-level view of the situation.

    566:

    "Our only hope is an amendment requiring a second referendum on the terms offered ( I think )"

    "As I've said before on here, this is not possible by the EU rules."

    I agree that is what the treaty rules say, but of course that has not stopped the EU's Guy Verhofstadt dangling a possible fast re-entry into the EU if UK does not like the negotiated deal/no deal.

    You can view this either as a hard-line negotiating tactic or the reaction of a committed EU person trying to offer the UK a life-line or just another example of the almost complete lack of understanding between both sides of the negotiations or as EU politics as usual ...

    567:

    Thanks! - Familiar with Eco & already read Altemeyer.

    Will check Daniel Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners.

    568:

    Okay, thought that was a possibility, wasn't obvious. Forget it Jake, it's the internet.

    569:

    And another piece of US social justice is on the chopping block: DT is okay with pulpiteers preaching politics to their faithful.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-destroy-johnson-amendment-religious-freedom-separation-church-state-a7559421.html

    570:

    Hmmm, no ... vote is overwhelmingly in favor of getting on with Brexiting.

    'MPs have voted by a majority of 384 to allow Prime Minister Theresa May to get Brexit negotiations under way.

    They backed the government's European Union Bill, supported by the Labour leadership, by 498 votes to 114.'

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38833883

    571:

    Me too. Re: Could the current developments be actually aimed at the gigadeath described previously in the thread intentionally?

    AJP Taylor's judgement of Hitler and the Holocaust was that he wasn't planning it per se in the late 30s, but he did have a "pious wish" for extermination.

    Similarly, I'm not sure Bannon is planning gigadeath of black people, but I don't think he worries very much that it may happen.

    572:

    Agree with social animal, codependency, cooperation, etc. but this does not have to automatically mean that house/residential architecture cannot be updated to provide for greater self-sufficiency as a household unit. Solar is improving to the point that it may be possible to get solar siding and not just roofing. You're familiar with the Boston area housing --- almost entirely siding rather than brick/stone. And although natural gas is still pretty cheap there, their houses need siding replaced every few decades anyways, so next time why not put on the multi-function (energy-generating) type. Do you want to be held hostage to an industry only every 20 years as you look to replace your siding, or for a continuous 20 years with each monthly payment?

    Pet peeve is gov't econ policies that put a nation's economic well-being into one basket. Feel similarly about energy at the residential household level.

    573:

    Precisely (!) I get the impression that everyone is running round in circles, trying to work out what to do next - including the UK "negotiating" team of course.

    Also see SFR @ 569 ... the Parliamentary vote is that the DEBATE about the terms under which we might or might not submit At50 has been approved to go ahead .....

    574:

    Just read May's intro/letter ... still gagging ...

    Seriously, apart from finance, no idea what Britain could offer the EU ... esp. given that its trade deficit is on the rise (again).

    https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/OverseasTradeStatistics/Pages/OTS.aspx

    Excerpt:

    Key Points

    Total trade exports for November 2016 were £29.3 billion. This was an increase of £2.5 billion (9.4 per cent) compared with last month, and an increase of £4.5 billion (18 per cent) compared with November 2015. Total trade imports for November 2016 were £42.5 billion. This was an increase of £2.9 billion (7.4 per cent) compared with last month, and an increase of £7.6 billion (22 per cent) compared with November 2015. The UK was a net importer this month, with imports exceeding exports by £13.2 billion.
    575:

    Okay - correction noted re: 'debate' approved. That said, still more likely UK-EU will play second fiddle to EU-US trade talks with the result that the UK gets dregs vs. being able to sign a beneficial deal. (Timing sucks, guys!)

    576:

    Isn't that, or could be interpreted as contrary to the ( um, err ... ) "First Amendment" ?

    Presumably such a challenge ot |Tru,[olini would go to ... yes, The Supreme Court. Could be interesting.

    577:

    Actually it is tied to the tax code. If you want to be a non profit you can't engage in direct political speech or activity.

    So you can talk about taking care of the poor but not say "elect Greg T" because you think he will take care of the poor.

    What he is saying (I'm guessing) is to remove the gag rule tied to being a non profit.

    Of course I'm sure that the people wanting this are thinking of churches, not places like Planned Parenthood. (I think they are non profit.)

    I once heard a pastor say that maybe we should just get rid of the concept of non profit. I think I also heard a huge collective gasp from other pastors around the US. I'm all for it.

    578:

    Agree ... but it also looks as though the EOs could end up clogging SCOTUS - even thought it's now stacked with REP-leaning judges. This means that virtually every body that has any power/authority to govern is either stalemated (Congress/Senate - simple majority is not enough to overturn OEs) or overwhelmed (SCOTUS).

    This leaves the military and intelligence agencies - and despite recent events - not sure they want to play in the political sandbox. Non-gov't players of course are going to have loads of fun doing whatever the hell they want to do, because who's got time to watch let alone go after them.

    Okay - state and county pols will still be around ... but not likely that 50 + egos whose populations have just voted in a major election are going to risk their electoral seats.

    579:

    Actually it is tied to the tax code. If you want to be a non profit you can't engage in direct political speech or activity.

    Churches are a totally separate section of the non-profit tax sphere than regular "trying to make things better" organizations.

    If you're looking for the maximum evil version, the Trumpsters just exempt churches but nobody else from the politics ban.

    580:

    I think punching fascists is a grand old tradition, dating from the time that Churchill, a Conservative, Roosevelt, a Liberal, and Stalin, a Socialist, all resolved to ignore their political differences, formed an alliance, and punched Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo, all of whom doubtless deserved it.

    I am a fan of yours (among other reasons) precisely because you believe in the continued practice of this grand historical tradition.

    Hurrah! Punching fascists is good clean fun!

    581:

    "Christmas is carnage! Christmas is carnage!"

    582:

    Seriously, apart from finance, no idea what Britain could offer the EU ... esp. given that its trade deficit is on the rise (again).

    If you are a net exporter (e.g. Germany) UK offers a market to sell things to, which is definitely something you - as a net exporter, will appreciate.

    583:

    "And here's the problem in a nutshell: because (a) "roving cannibals from the cities" is unavoidably and blatantly racist in a US cultural context (hint: white suburban flight), and (b) in general, in disasters, almost everybody pulls together: see for example the wake of Hurricane Katrina. You don't get roving bands of cannibals — the nearest you get is panicky bigots shooting at everybody they don't know."

    One of my favorite first-hand accounts of how people actually acted during a local apocalypse (the Siege of Sarajevo 1992-1996). http://www.metafilter.com/78669/What-if-things-just-keep-getting-worse#2430771 It's short and worth a read.

    TL;DR: people did, indeed, come together and share resources to survive. Those who hoarded eventually came around, and the majority of the preppers shared what they had with others freely.

    '"Preparing" for the disaster really didn't do anyone much good. Those who "prepared" ate a little better for a while. They stayed warmer for a few extra days. They enjoyed the radio for a while longer (via batteries.) But in the end, they ended up hungry, cold and bored too, just like the rest of us. Guns and weapons helped no one directly and were even of little to no use in the defense of Sarajevo, since they were toys compared to the shells, bombs and high-powered armaments of the attacking forces.'

    I do note that during the siege of Leningrad in WWII, some people did resort to cannibalism, but that was a situation where the dead were lying around, frozen in the Russian winter, by the thousands, with nothing else to eat.

    584:

    I'm still saying that I cannot see Trumpolini lasting even to '18. He's now pissed off Oz (please, send a platoon of 'roos to invade the White House and take him out!)

    Who, of our allies and other nations has he not pissed off? Um... Russia? About any other nation? Let me get back to you on that.

    mark

    585:

    Right... I just went to google news, and see that Sen. McCain has just stepped in to try to smooth relations with Australia.

    This is McCain, of the short fused temper. A few more pushes, and he will start impeachment.

    mark

    586:

    SFReader & Antiquercus

    One of Goldhagen's critics is Christopher Browning, whose Ordinary Men is very much worth a read. It describes the mass murders commited by a reserve police battallion - ordinary men, whose age, upbringing and the fact that they were reserve police and not Wehrmacht suggested a less than average fanatical Nazism, still massacred countless Jews. He goes a bit into the possible social psychology behind that. Recentish editions also have an afterword where Browning picks apart Goldhagens concept of eliminationist antisemitism, IMO well worth the read.

    587:

    If you're looking for the maximum evil version, the Trumpsters just exempt churches but nobody else from the politics ban. Thousands of additional people are now thinking seriously about forming new churches in the USA.

    Robert Heinlein had a story with this as a plot element: Sixth Column Appallingly racist. (Probably the library had it; read the entire SF shelf as a kid.) Noting that the invaders have allowed the free practice of religion (the better to pacify their slaves), the Americans set up a church of their own in order to build a resistance movement—the Sixth Column (as opposed to a traitorous fifth column).

    588:

    I'm still saying that I cannot see Trumpolini lasting even to '18. Joke making the rounds: the Democrats shouldn't allow Trump to appoint a Supreme Court Justice in the last year of his presidency.

    (For non-USians, this was the Republican argument for blocking Obama's replacement of the (still dead) former Justice Antonin Scalia.)

    589:

    A conspiracy theorist might suggest that Bannon is keeping Trump fired up by orchestrating some of the more personal attacks, but I wont.

    590:

    No, he won't. McCain blusters, but folds with the rest of his party, every single time.

    591:

    Three reasons:

    a) Virulence. You have to be certain it's containable. b) Cheapness. Nothing's cheaper than free. c) Deniability.

    592:

    Not for long ... the UK isn't likely to have much cash left for shopping if the finance firms get a better deal moving to the US.

    As a North American, my perception is that the UK is quaint and rich/pricey ... love the history, historical culture, arts, unis, museums, public spaces, etc. ... so, mostly tourism. For day-to-day consumer goods - would probably consider Asian and German built cars over UK-built. Food, electronics, furniture, clothing - again no. From previous posters, do understand that the UK does have a strong military industrial base. But is this going to be enough?

    Open question: How is NATO going to be affected if/when the US bails? Or, closer to home, the UN? At this point, odds are that DT evicts current tenants and converts the UN building into a condo ... with his name on flags, etc. of course.

    593:

    McCain has not got the power to impeach the president in any case. Presidents are impeached by the House of Representatives, and the impeachment is then tried by the Senate. McCain is a Senator.

    594:

    please, send a platoon of 'roos to invade the White House and take him out

    Did you mean prehistoric death birds"? (cartoon)

    Also, the Australian army once famously failed to defeat a plague of emus.

    Either would be more effective than kangaroos. But we're thinking of using Arnie, because he's Austraian and Trump won't know the difference.

    595:

    Point of record:

    "Sixth Column" is indeed horribly racist. However, although it was written by Heinlein, it was commissioned by John W. Campbell who provided Heinlein with a detailed (racist) outline. Indeed, Heinlein — who needed the money — walked the racism back as far as he could and attempted to add in a sympathetic protag of the bad-guy ethnicity.

    I say this not to give Heinlein a pass on the racism — really, he should have picked another project — but to point out where the real blame lies.

    Knee, now jerked, will go back to sleep.

    596:

    Re "Microbes can help explain the evolution of host altruism" and Especially like this bit in the discussion

    Another interesting bit from the discussion First, our results suggest that a conflict might occur between host interests and microbe interests. Such a conflict can lead to a co-evolutionary arms race with respect to altruistic behaviour, where the host evolves resistance to the microbes, and the microbes evolve new ways of manipulating the host. (e.g. ref-ed in paper: The evolution of mutualisms: exploring the paths between conflict and cooperation (1999)) Something to ponder a bit.

    Not sure I believe the (microbes) paper now that I've given it more than a skim. There might be mechanisms other that microbes that could be slotted into the computer model. (And, no actual evidence.)

    597:

    For day-to-day consumer goods - would probably consider Asian and German built cars over UK-built.

    UK-built cars mostly have badges saying "BMW" or "Toyota" these days.

    Electronics? Well, ARM Holdings were sold to SoftBank last year, so I guess we don't own the IP to your smartphone and the embedded microcontrollers inside your car and your washing machine any more ...

    The UK military base got consolidated into British Aerospace, which renamed itself BAe Systems, listed on NYSE, and tip-toed across the pond to where the budget's bigger.

    If the USA bails on NATO, fuck knows what happens: if the EU doesn't disintegrate first then, quite possibly, we'll see pressure for a European Army ... but before that gets sorted out, expect lots of lulz from Mr Putin.

    If the USA bails on the UN, then all hell breaks loose. Most Americans don't even understand where the UN came from (hint: it was the umbrella for the alliance that defeated Hitler, and the reason it's headquartered in New York is that it was mostly a US creation) and it's the primary multilateral talking shop for avoiding wars and other undesirable shit. Without the UN we're back into pre-League of Nations cracksackitude all round, and there will presently be wars.

    598:

    Your last paragraph is either too dark or not dark enough. You underestimate the recovery of past territories of Rome or you overestimate the safety of common people in the Empire. Plus how does this tie in with current American politics. If Rome died a long slow death, then obviously it wasn't burned down for the sake of getting something different. If anything it sounds like an argument that stagnation can be just as horrible, but with less long term upside.

    You could also argue that Europe burned itself down in the 17th and 20th centuries. The cost was horrific, but something reasonably described as better replaced the old culture and it happened quickly. Europe also went through a sea change in the late 18th century that was less bloody than the other two, but also arguably quickly replaced the old with new and better.

    599:

    Kangaroos have been known to use shoulder-launched ground-to-air missiles...

    A military flight simulator system under test borrowed a bunch of stock 3D models to check the dynamics and rendering of various ground cover options while the final models were being prepared. The Middle Eastern desert scenario got kangaroos because the model set included them, and presumably there were no camels to be had. The kangaroo models then got hijacked into simulating insurgent/guerilla ground forces since they were vaguely human-sized, upright and sort-of bipedal. The result was pilots seeing kangaroos "below" them scattering as they made their approach then popping up and firing SA-7 missiles at the attacking aircraft.

    600:

    Breaking up the EU appears to be near the top of the foreign policy objectives for the new regime in the White House - I have a slight hope it may backfire on them and result in the UK getting a better than expected deal with the EU to balance against the "and this is how you will change your laws" offer from the US. OTOH the EU may not last that long, after all the US does have a lot of practice at destabilising countries (rather more than they have at stabilising them, sadly).

    601:

    I remember that :)

    You may have cows with guns, we got roo's with SA7's.

    602:

    Real quantum computing will probably ... require Strong AI to program them

    That's the real secret to quantum computing. If your AI can pass the Turing Test, it can fool humans. Then it can make up an answer and tell you it used quantum computing. You'll never know the difference.

    603:

    .. Iron fertilization is only a sensible move in the high ocean low productivity zones. Anoxia is a product of low mixing of the deep waters, excessive nutrient runoff from agriculture and insufficient filterfeeders. All of those are attackable problems, tough obviously you start by establishing artificial oyster reefs. It's not like Bangladesh is short of manpower that could be applied to a solution that would yield economic return.

    Please refer to #493 and the map there, then explain a plan that could possibly include filter feeders in the zone provided.

    If you need more detailed / accurate maps:

    COASTAL BATHYMETRIC MAPPING OF THE UPPER BAY OF BENGAL USING OPTICAL SATELLITE Chandan Roy, Rajshahi University, 2003 - autoloading link, means host's software might spike it. WARNING: LONG, 148 pages.

    Included because it's relevant and holy crap look at the magic they produced using gear that any US / UK / EU university would let you near due to HSE regs. (P113 / 99)

    I mean, whoever he is, that's a nice paper and so deserves a link.

    ~

    p.s.

    I'm being nice.

    The zone is literally in "high ocean low productivity zones" which is akin to someone stating: "Yes, but our solution involves magical elves and torturing Santa, but of course, that would require an open sea passage to the Artic!"

    Sorry, excuse the cynicism: quote of the day - "A helmet of lies is still made out of lies"

    Response: "You work with the material provided".

    604:

    Oh, and fun fact (given Host's legal threat):

    Major "Left wing" US commentary site is about 2-3 seconds away from suggesting that the President of the United States of America takes a drug that caused his son's (undisclosed) health issues.

    You want ants?

    That's how you get yourself purged from the internet forever and sued and they can't even see it happening.

    ~

    That's a freebie, my little munchkins.

    605:

    I'd put the odds of the EU still being there in two years in anything like the present form no be no more than 50%, which renders a lot of the Brexit stuff moot.

    The European political class are blundering through the marshlands to their asteroidal doom, bellowing and trumpeting in denial; they just can't deal with a political environment in which their gatekeepers can't control information, restrict entry or enforce the "boundaries of respectability" set by the bien-pensant consensus. They tried to restrict political action to a meaningless ritual designed to validate decisions made by committees of technocrats behind the curtain, and it's not working anymore.

    Even though the consequences are likely to be bad, I can't avoid a certain degree of schadenfreude at the head-butts and groin-kicks to their ineffable smugness and joy at their increasing degree of bewildered terror.

    It's the return of the repressed, with a (quite literal) vengeance. After the tortures and indignities they've inflicted on people like the Greeks, they've got a world of pain coming. Karma's a bitch.

    Scottish independence is unlikely though. The rest of the UK is more important to them than Europe economically if they have to chose one or the other, and even a "soft independence" with both parties in the EU lost when put to a vote.

    A "hard independence" with customs barriers and passport controls on the English border will be considerably less attractive still.

    Not to mention that if Wilder and Le Pen win or even do really well (looking increasingly likely) the view across the North Sea is going to be massively unattractive as the EU crashes and burns.

    606:

    I'd put the odds of the United States still being there in two years in anything like the present form no be no more than 50%.

    The American political class are blundering through the marshlands to their asteroidal doom, bellowing and trumpeting in denial; they just can't deal with a political environment in which their gatekeepers can't control information, restrict entry or enforce the "boundaries of respectability" set by the bien-pensant consensus. They tried to restrict political action to a meaningless ritual designed to validate decisions made by committees of technocrats behind the curtain, and it's not working anymore.

    Even though the consequences are likely to be bad, I can't avoid a certain degree of schadenfreude at the head-butts and groin-kicks to their ineffable smugness and joy at their increasing degree of bewildered terror.

    It's the return of the repressed, with a (quite literal) vengeance. After the tortures and indignities they've inflicted on people like whites, they've got a world of pain coming. Karma's a bitch.

    Californian independence is unlikely though. The rest of the United States is more important to them and even a "soft independence" with both parties in the US would lose when put to a vote.

    A "hard independence" with customs barriers and passport controls on the Nevada will be considerably less attractive still.

    Not to mention that if Trump lasts as President more than six months (looking increasingly likely) the view across the Atlantic is going to be massively unattractive as the United States crashes and burns.

    607:

    The Boss has pointed out THIS REFERENCE to me, & therefore all of you too ....dealing with US tax codes ..... Concerning US charities & religious organisations.

    608:

    Trump is a Judeophile. His daughter is Jewish, his sons married Jews, many of his best friends are Jewish, he has many Jews in his administration, he is very popular with conservative and religious Jews. So maybe this "nazi" and "anti-semitism" stuff is just a little over the top and hysterical?

    609:

    Not really, if you consider the angles.

    Do a GREP on my input. On the surface, it could look terribly naive. If you're smart, we kinda told you the plans ~1-2 years in advance.

    Fascism is the more accurate term for a lot of the ideological baggage.

    Fascism has racial "tones", but it's never a set thing. Go look up Buddhist progroms against Muslims, for instance.

    Oh, look.

    Your little BOX got broken.

    She's called Casandra, and you already lost.

    ~

    Since your previous efforts have included:

    Minerva, with all due respect, you sound like someone who spends way too much time online, filling your head with toxic memes. I sometimes think the internet is making humanity insane in this way, and there's some kind of Cthulhoid intelligence behind it, laughing maniacally. I'm sure It loves people like you.

    I'll give you a deal.

    Give me a link. Make it a juicy one.

    And I'll bother to frame-work out the 'chaos' and so forth into a rather complex little plan.

    We'll call it:

    "How to bind Authoritarian Ideological Structures Together When their Organic Mimetic Hate within the Base is in Opposition".

    Trust me, it's huuuge, amazing. Got someone elected, it did.

    Please note: while some of the old guard are still trying to purge documents as follows, you should probably read them first:

    Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions.

    REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES Project for the New American Century, Sept 2000 - PDF, 90 pages.

    ~

    Pro-tip: Our Kind Do Not Go Mad.

    The Blow Back on this one is... well. Don't want to spoil the fun.

    610:

    You should probably look into "Pyrrhic Victories"...just when was the work done on the PATRIOT act, again?

    Ready to roll, eh?

    Our Kind work in Generations. Pissant tribal bollocks from subsets of the same fucking parochial Abrahamic penis worshiping fools isn't really our Game.

    Oh, but the Genocide and Mutilation.

    ~

    Now, that gets attention.

    Hint: Mental Illness and the G_D zone of the brain. We're fucking big on those ones.

    p.s.

    It's a Mirror.

    When you shatter them, well. Our map is organic, but your mind only works in the small fields, so think T1000 and Arnold...

    611:

    Sigh, no response.

    Triptych.

    Here's a song (and yes, it has... "weight"):

    Where Are You YT, Music Sunforest, 2:47

    612:

    This is where it is heading: query how stable is a government that can only act 2 years out of eight?

    613:

    This would not remotely be a First Amendment issue. If anything, the First Amendment here cuts in favor of what Trump is doing as the status quo prevents political speech.

    614:

    I'm Facebook, so if you leave me a message there I should get it. I would be delighted to meet another fan, gafiated or not. Thank you!

    615:

    On an unrelated note, I have a question: why is it that whenever the discussion turns to reducing carbon emissions in the developed world, the discussion gets derailed into one about the ability to electrify airplanes? Air travel is a niche in terms of both fuel consumption and carbon emissions. Even if it’s not possible to find alternative fuels for airlines, decarbonizing the electric grid, heating/cooling, and cars/trucks should get rid of the vast majority of carbon emissions in the developed world.

    616:

    Resilience.org has some lovely essays about peak demand in regards to oil and other carbon products. And as long as the price is over $40, the US oil rig count is up, which (along with a truly stupendous glut in inventory) will keep the price of oil depressed for longer than people think.

    Every time a house goes off the grid, an oil rig dies. Russia is going to feel the squeeze first, sanctions lifted or not, because their oil is still going to be more expensive to bring out than Saudi oil. Plus, one of these days RealSoonNow, Nigeria will stop having civil wars and fix their pipelines.

    Trump would look rather silly trying to depress US oil drilling, and so the US will remain competitive in oil production with Russia and the Saudis, but our economy is far more diversified. China's not going to buy all the oil (as they look nervously at their real estate bubble ever so ready to pop), and neither is the US.

    Lifting sanctions isn't going to save Russia, either. If they're able to drill a lot of oil out of the Permian Basin, that will...simply continue to keep the average price under $100 for quite some time.

    Again, people are now talking about peak demand for oil, not just peak supply.

    617:

    He's now pissed off Oz (please, send a platoon of 'roos to invade the White House and take him out!)

    Meh. Australia has been trying to fix US presidential elections for years now. Putin is a Johnny come lately.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/newked-john-newcombe-breaks-silence-on-the-bender-that-got-george-w-bush-arrested-20141009-114225.html

    And kudos to Moz for dragging First dog on the moon into this.

    618:

    If you're looking for the maximum evil version, the Trumpsters just exempt churches but nobody else from the politics ban.

    --The entry cost for establishing a church in the US is really, really low. One Pastafarian ran for the local city council as a joke--and was elected. God love the man, he wore the colander to the first meeting he went to. I can easily see forming The Church of All Worlds (though someone beat me to it decades ago) or The Church of Eternal Love and Social Justice Warriors 'R' Us without much trouble. Just find a place to meet, write up a mission statement, pass the collection plate and fill out some paperwork. Or co-opt The Church of the SubGenius. I'm sure "Bob" would approve. Unitarians and Quakers are usually fairly social justice minded anyway, as are Methodists. Now, where's my copy of the NESFA Hymnal? (which actually exists, I seriously don't know where it went to, though).

    619:

    Not that I'm sure of anything, of course, but it's too early to panic. The US checks and balances system has already started to work. About 45 lawsuits have been filed about various issues and three federal judges have issued stays regarding the Muslim travel ban. The State Department is coming online. Congress should catch up as soon as they're done with reviewing appointments. All should be (sort of) under control in another month or so.

    620:

    The US checks and balances system has already started to work.

    Nope. This is what I meant in my post @306. Trump is ignoring the courts and getting away with it. The US Marshalls service has been instructed by the white house not to serve court orders on the immigration system, and they aren't. This is astonishing and very, very bad.

    https://rewire.news/ablc/2017/01/31/trump-administration-ignoring-court-orders/

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/01/what_happens_if_donald_trump_refuses_a_federal_court_order.html

    621:

    Reading that, the bay has.. extremely impressive mechanisms for oxygen transport into the deep waters. This isn't the baltic. I'm kind of boggled it's even possible to overload them, but then I looked at just how many people live next to that bay, all of who can afford fertilizers, and approximately none of whom use water treatment plants, and it made sense. Still, that is a fixable problem. Reefs in the shallow waters can purify really large quantities of water, and building water purification plants for half a billion people is not expensive - it's a coordination problem, because you also have half a billion people to do the work. Only... If bangladesh had any talent for solving coordination problems, it would not be so very desperately poor. That's the primary reason I was thinking of oysterfarming - a solve that requires competent execution from the local authorities is.. not that likely to work

    622:

    Your writing is too postmodern and clever for me. I prefer to communicate in plain old English.

    623:

    It's mystery cult social engineering as a mass communication tool - Shodan obfuscates their points so that understanding them incurs a sunk cost of effort, which makes recipients that expended that effort take them somewhat more seriously.

    That or just plain crazy.

    Either way, if you don't find it amusing, should definately skip them.

    624:

    I recently read a book called "Hack The Planet" which is about the various geoengineering projects which had been proposed to deal with global warming, and ferrous sulfate is the only one which looks remotely realistic, but there are some very large caveats:

    1.) It probably stimulates ocean acidity.

    2.) It has not been well researched.

    3.) The right kinds of plankton (might be the right micro-organisms) have to be present for ferrous sulfate to work properly.

    4.) Previous attempts to research ferrous sulfate were mainly the province of an entrepreneur named Russ George, who was famous for never shutting his mouth. Per the book, he managed to terrify/upset/be-manic-at the bodies which might have given their blessing to such research to the point where any attempt to put ferrous sulfate into the ocean for research purposes is DOA and likely to eternally stain the CV of any scientist who makes such a proposal, even if the proposal is 100 percent sane.

    My short version is "It might work along with some kind of chemical to de-acidify the waters into which it is placed, if the right plankton are present."

    My long version is "would someone with decent sense, a couple-hundred saltwater aquariums and a several million dollars please rehabilitate this area of science and research the heck out of it, so we can know whether this is a useful tool or not. Also, could someone please convince Russ George to join a Buddhist monastery in Tibet and take an eternal vow of silence."

    625:

    Trump is the Anti-"Bob."

    More seriously, churches are little miniature nation-states; the "Christian Education Committee" becomes the Ministry of Education with not much more than a name change. The After-Services Snack Committee becomes the Ministry of Food Production. Etc. For a real-world example of how this happens, look up Moqtada Al-Sadr. When the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, he designated people as the "Minister of This," or the "Secretary of That," and everyone laughed. Nobody laughs at Al Sadr any more.

    In times of trouble, everyone should join a church... ;-/

    626:

    I'll give you a deal.

    Give me a link. Make it a juicy one.

    Why should we be interested in your so-called "deal" - makes you sound like Trump, actually (!) And how can we know that you will keep your word, anyway, since you have shown several times in the past, that your offers cannot be trusted [ " I was only joking" "you're all fucked" etc ad nauseam ]

    How about an alternative deal?

    SPEAK IN PLAIN ENGLISH $ stop wasting time

    627:

    Interesting typo there: I meant to type: "&" But actually typed: "$"

    I wonder why that was, apart from FBC&K ?

    628:

    I seem to remember tings weren't that simple. The first time they were involved in atrocities it was a complete fiasco, some men simply didn't follow orders, some tried to but couldn't... and some others were enthusiastic murderers. The unit more or less disintegrated in individuals and small groups.

    The key point is, Nazi authorities reacted by making easy and painless to leave the battalion. All transfer requests were approved without comments, no shame, no punishment, no stain on service records. In that way on paper it was still the same XXXth Reserve Police Battalion but in practice it swiftly became a completely different unit.

    @605 Joat

    That's dellusional. The EU is here to stay, deal with it. Spaniards, Greeks, etc, will be the first to tell you our problems weren't caused by the Union nor the Euro and, while the Union/Germany coud do more to help, can't be solved by the Union. And leaving the Euro would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater; there are sound reasons countries aren't leaving but keep joining the euro (last ones Latvia and Lithuania in 2014 and 2015)

    Even more: if Marine Le Pen becomes president, improbable as that is in my opinion, the very last thing an old style French nationalist like her would dream of doing is leaving the EU for Germany to become hegemon by default at the very moment when the UK leaves, opening vast opportunities for France, not least because the République will become the nuclear arm of the Union...

    @608 Greenja

    First of all, those accusations are being made against men like Steve Bannon, not against Trump himself. And second, I wonder how long will Trump keep being a Judeophile after having Netanyahu on the phone. The Donald won't take no for an answer, and I guess Bibi wasn't made for listening to shouts, much less for obbeying them. The Turnbull precedent isn't encouraging.

    629:

    The Turnbull precedent isn't encouraging Yeah ... how he's going to react to being told by the EU that his proposal for an ambassador is total non-starter is going to be "fun"

    The Donald won't take no for an answer, Like the court orders being ignored, you mean? How long before the entire judicial branch is sidelined? Assuming that Congress/Senate don't have the spine to defy him, because they are still salivating over destroying people's healthcare & being good little christians that they don't notice or care about the rest of it? [ Very reminiscent of the non-Nazi right in 1933-36, basically allowing Adolf free reign, & by the time they realised what they'd really got it was waaaayyy too late. ]

    How soon before he really has a carpet-eating rage against someone or some nation, is very worrying. What happens if he has a rage & orders a nuke-strike? Is there any way the US services can avoid that, if they know its' shit?

    631:

    the Trumpsters just exempt churches but nobody else from the politics ban Isn't that rather unconstitutional? "Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion" and all that.

    632:

    I suppose we know each other under different names and places :-) but, sorry, your statement is really wrong. Aside that I'm a US-style EU patriot with the same attitude to the other star-spangled banner, "After the tortures and indignities they've inflicted on people like the Greeks, they've got a world of pain coming. Karma's a bitch."

    The Greeks (and sadly us Italians) inflicted those "tortures" all by themselves. Massive tax evasion, lack of investment, huge debt (and the golden opportunity of euro and related low interest here has been wasted by one Silvio B.). If the EU had an elected president, I'd vote Angela so hard that the pencil would puncture the ballot (yes, we don't use Diebold machines with no paper trail...). Even while being a carded member of an Euro-Socialist party.

    they just can't deal with a political environment in which their gatekeepers can't control information, meaning free for all Pizzagate stuff? "lock her up"?

    restrict entry or enforce the "boundaries of respectability" set by the bien-pensant consensus. Same bien-pensant consensus that made feasible for many Marians and Swindapa to marry, you mean? Or that frowns on stuff like lynch mobs, or wars? EU will be eventually a last-stand Samothrace against a TrumpDraka US. I wonder if the next Donald's wife will be a hi-tech businesswoman named Gwen...

    They tried to restrict political action to a meaningless ritual designed to validate decisions made by committees of technocrats behind the curtain, and it's not working anymore.

    while post-truth campaigns tailored by data mining by Cambridge Analytica are the real & true expression of people's will. Like...oh, Nuremberg rallies? "Christ or Barabbas" referendums?

    633:

    the point is not estabilishing a state church, it's allowing tax-exempt status to churches even when they play as political actors

    634:

    That clause in the constitution has, in the past, been used to deny "churches of religion" the hire of state fairgrounds.

    635:

    Our host wrote (here, comment #216):

    ... an antidote to the prevailing mind-set on this blog which is, regrettably, people like you. Internet fora tend to succumb to groupthink, and the collective mindset of my blog commentariat is collectively too white, too male, too technocratic, and tends towards a quasi-autistic blindness towards nuance, emotion, and the rest of human existence. (Except many autism-spectrum folks can work out what's going on and emulate it, while the blog borg here simply motors through obliviously.)

    I would add that the main "vibe" I get there is also pro-EU and for the most part pro-Democratic (for the US). I wonder if this is not making some of you completely blind towards some pretty dysfunctional elements of the UE setup, policies and operations.

    (I am sticking to the EU part for now, in part because it's what I know more about)

    I see a lot of this in other (Italian) fora, too. People "hoping that the Union will punish UK for Brexit". "Make an example out of them". Or saying that Greeks collectively deserved their fate. The whole budgetary policies seen as a sort of morality play where entire nations are "unworthy" of deciding their own fate and should have their governments replaced by foreign representatives, or at best have to ask permission to someone else for every decision of any importance.

    I don't see much space for "nuance, emotion, and the rest of human existence" in how UE is currently being run. So do not be too amazed if populism, nationalism (and in the end fascism) are becoming more attractive for a large number of people.

    We collectively bought in the idea of a Union (a society or association formed by people with a common interest or purpose) and now we find out that the only thing that really matters is keeping our budget in line with a standard (that someone else set).

    636:

    I try to avoid that sort of politically charged comment; in this case I'm reporting on how the Greek attitude to personal taxation is reported in the UK media, and not stating my personal view. Typically the media make it sound like the Greek national sports are tax evasion, tax avoidance and the "black economy".

    637:

    "Or saying that Greeks collectively deserved their fate"

    Did someone force the Greek voters to vote both Nea Demokratia and PASOK, and they run idiotic budgetary policies, not for investments but to pay absurd benefits to all and sundry?

    Or to mismanage the Athens Olympics? Or allowing homes with swimming pools in Athens being tax-free?

    No "morality play". If you need huge loans, those who lend you money want guarantees. Did you even get a mortgage? And EU and trojka asked only for gross total, they didn't ask "cut healthcare" or such, it was the Greek government allocating cuts. To be honest, my heart sank when Vaoufakis, instead of proposing a plan for hi-tech startups or somesuch, rehashed the war indemnities issue. And why did Tsipras ally with rightwing ANEL instead than with liberal To Potami (Renzi has been crucified for allying with Alfano, which is different how?)

    I don't see much space for "nuance, emotion, and the rest of human existence" in how UE is currently being run.

    and how come that a state should provide that? Imagine all the nuance and emotion you have being black, gay and uninsured in Trumpland, then..or also under (god forbids!) an Italian FiveStar-League gov't.

    btw: Bagnai is a mediocre professor in a second rate uni who advocates lynch mod "justice" against supportes of the euro and whose academic integrity is questionable...do you know the rumors about instructing his fanbase to download his papers in order to improve his ranking?

    638:

    Yes, I follow Bagnai's forum since ... maybe 2013? And I also keep an eye on people who oppose or criticize him (I am doing my best to avoid echo chamber thinking, and especially in the case of Bagnai's circle it is vital to always check things independently... things can get cultish very quickly around him).

    But I am not here to trumpet Bagnai's ideas (especially about leaving the Euro, etc.) I do believe that some of the criticism from his side is well founded. But I mean the political criticism, not the economical, because I do not consider myself much of an expert on economical matters.

    So please can we keep Bagnai's technical points (along with snide comments about his "ranking") outside of this?

    639:

    I would add that the main "vibe" I get there is also pro-EU and for the most part pro-Democratic (for the US).

    I am entirely happy to ban the fuck out of right-wingers and in particular fascist fellow-travellers.

    This is because I have a set of biases all of my own and I freely declare them in the moderation policy.

    If this isn't okay with you, you're welcome to go find another blog to troll. I'm not the US government and I have no obligation to lend you my megaphone and soapbox if I disagree with your opinions.

    (Agreed, that "morality play" narratives in international relations are highly toxic; also that the European project has been in the grip of nuance-deaf technocrats for too long. Disagree that the likes of Farage or Le Pen are the right people to fix it.)

    640:

    That's ok. I am trying to debate this calmly and reasonably. Let's start from that then, the famously corrupt Greek nation.

    Suppose you are putting together a political, trans-border union. Would you admit Greece in it from the start, considering their national sports are tax evasion, tax avoidance and the "black economy"?

    Would it be better, maybe, to keep them waiting like you would do later with other petitioners to make sure that their economical profile is stable enough to join? What is the reason to do your best to get them in from the start, to the point of closing one (or possibly both) eye not only on their "fame" but also on their actual economical indicators at the start?

    What was your plan? To "force" them to become more honest, in their own best interest? Assuming this was the idea, who is the metaphorical "you" in this? The TTP (Trans-european Tax Payers) party? The Fiscal Morality League?

    Why were everyone (i.e. France and Germany, I'd say) so keen on having Greece in the Euro from the start? Greece is small, has little political or military clout. It may be relevant strategically for its geographical position, but this will not require them to join Euro as long as they stay in the NATO and play nice with the rest of the coalition.

    Similar questions could be asked about Italy, too, even if we (I am Italian) have always been a much bigger economy. But I'd like to start with Greece, first, and then see if we can extend our analysis to other countries like Spain and Italy, too.

    I would like to discuss how we came to the current situation, and I think it is interesting to see what the antecedents are, to better understand what happened, and why.

    641:

    This is because I have a set of biases all of my own and I freely declare them in the moderation policy.

    Granted. Your blog, your rules.

    I am trying to have a "debate" about what I find wrong/worrying with UE but I have no intention to violate your moderation guidelines (and I won't hold a grudge if you just decide to kick me out for any reason whatsoever, no matter if it is or not stated in your rules or if we disagree on how to interpret them) or to use this as a soapbox for separationist movements.

    642:

    \Snark ON/ Except for one very special seperationist & Nationalist movement, which unlike all the others, is as pure as the driven snow & can do no wrong ( Except to parents, it seems )..

    Oops, must remember to say: /Snark OFF\

    Much more seriously. Greece should never have been admitted to the EU. It did not meet & could not possibly meet the financial criteria for joining. But, because it was convenient ( for whom? ) Greece was admitted. This is one of my main gripes with the EU ... their rules are supposed to be followed & Britain certainly tries to, & then sees other nations ( esp France re agriculture - oops - note @ end ) flouting the rules left, right & centre, etc. In other words the rules are only applies when the commissioners want them to be & when they are feeling either generous or vicious. Sorry, but it is not supposed to work like that.

    ( note - Talking of agriculture, our own dear DEFRA appear to be terminally incompetent, but that is a tale for another day. )

    643:

    According to page two of this report, the answer is somewhat different (and more complex, surprise surprise) that what either Thomas or Norjay claim. I'f I'm reading it right, when you remove the subsidies and try to get real cost, wind is the cheapest by a good margin. Utility-scale solar and gas combined cycle all come about 50% higher. That particular chart is just for production cost, including capital and operating cost while ignoring everything else - subsidies, any carbon sequestration costs (advantage to wind, solar) and smoothing of generation irregularities for wind & solar (advantage gas/coal/nuclear). But they do address those other issues immediately thereafter, looking at things in a number of different ways.

    The report as a whole is pretty interesting. I won't vouch for the correctness nor do I care to argue for or against the interpretation - there's far more there than most of us could address here. The article does seem to address a lot of stuff most just skim over, which I take that as an indicator it's probably honest data gathering and interpretation.

    644:

    Still personal view:-

    Would I have accepted Greece as a member of the EU? Emphatically YES!!

    Would I have also admitted Greece as a founder member of the EUROZone? More emphatically NO!! There are all sorts of reasons for this, mostly to do with economic indicators other than level of tax collection.

    645:

    Agreed, that "morality play" narratives in international relations are highly toxic; true, but it has always been a powerful propaganda tool. And even the "poor Greeks and Italians tortured by evil EU/Germany/Angela-Hitler in disguise" is a morality play trick, too. IMHO Germany-bashing is the new version of...do you remember Bebel's line about antisemitism being the "socialism of the imbeciles"? And scratch most of those doing it and you'll find out Farage/Johnson/Trump supporters

    also that the European project has been in the grip of nuance-deaf technocrats for too long.

    They're obsessive-compulsive about tiny and macroeconomically irrelevant budgetary issues, true. But given how my country is burdened with huge debt due to very wrong policies in the '80s, I've a bit of appreciation. Tiny bit, as eurobonds aimed at rebuild infrastructure will be just marginally more risky than negative interest German bonds and give a profit, too.

    But if the EU project dies, it's Jamie Kirchick's "The End of Europe: Dictators, Demagogues and the Coming Dark Age" (a forthcoming book I found mentioned on CNN Politics).

    Disagree that the likes of Farage or Le Pen are the right people to fix it. Why did I follow this blog?:-) aside being a Laundry fan, I mean? I commuted for a year every week Bologna-Rome. The waiting hall has that big crack in the wall, closed by a glass plate and a stone with the names of the victims of the worst fascist terror attack in the world before OKCity. Is it enough to hate fascists?

    646:

    Agreed, that "morality play" narratives in international relations are highly toxic; true, but it has always been a powerful propaganda tool. And even the "poor Greeks and Italians tortured by evil EU/Germany/Angela-Hitler in disguise" is a morality play trick, too.

    I am Italian, but I live in Germany and work for a German company (my choice). I do not subscribe to the "Germans are evil" propaganda, either (and this is something a lot of Bagnai's supporters vociferously claim and something I personally reject).

    Can we maybe agree that Germans are not evil, just very much focused on what works best of their own economy? Which is a perfectly rational strategy, but unfortunately it clashes with the whole "Borderless, Erasmus-embracing, Globalist" attitude that allegedly inspired lots of EU founding fathers.

    647:

    Yes, exactly my point - deserving or undeserving is beside the point, they did not have the economical standing to join the Euro from the start. Just a bit of due diligence by the EU authorities would have prevented this.

    So why did this happen?

    648:

    Re: 'So why did this happen?'

    My guess: Greece was allowed in because democracy started there (feel-good moment), cultural/historical fence with the mid-east, and Greece increased total EU financial and political leverage while at the same time being so small that 'an iffy Greek economy can't do any harm, can it?' thinking. The problem was the disconnect with what exactly a lever can do ... and the way that the financial instruments ratcheted up that lever was completely uncontrolled. This was a massive failure of design ... if you force your economies to follow one set of rules with no outs (closed system*), then better make sure you build in a safety valve and have several alternate/back-up plans in your back pocket. From the bits I've read, none of this was done ... it was assumed from the get-go that every EU member would have more or less the same/identical economic profile, same technological mix, same demographics, same social needs, etc. Turns out that countries are not cookies.

    • A few blog topics back I posted a link to some EU trade numbers ... basically, since the formation of the EU, member countries have increasingly traded within the EU ... became a more enclosed market/system. If anyone has data showing different, please post ... because otherwise EU/Greece just provides a lesson in what lies ahead in the US/UK if their markets become closed systems. I see both the UK and US becoming more closed vs. open markets because of the rhetoric and with the US esp. the fear, loathing and mistrust of the new admin ... this does not bode well for friendly long-term negotiations.
    649:

    If you're going to discuss Greece joining the Euro then you have to mention the role of Goldman Sachs on both sides of the process.

    650:

    Also - what role do the Balkans play in this discussion? Greece is separated from western Europe (other EU members) by several countries. Trade is usually easiest between immediate neighbors and/or like-minded. The Balkans are in the WTO but not in the EU.

    For now, trade benefits the EU (surplus). The EU is western Balkans' largest (80%+) trading partner, but the western Balkans make up only 1% of EU total trade. So, leverage is entirely on the EU side.

    http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/regions/western-balkans/

    652:

    Greece is small, has little political or military clout.

    You're not entirely correct on that. Greece is not populous, but has a higher per-capita spend on the military than any other EU member. They've got more main battle tanks than the UK (although a lot of them are elderly cast-offs), for example!

    My understanding is that this goes back to the post-Junta settlement, whereby the left-opposition who kicked the colonels out of government were bought off with civil service jobs for life, and the generals and admirals were bought off with an endless supply of shiny warplanes, tanks and ships (as long as they stayed in the barracks to play with them). A surprising proportion of the tanks and ships are French and German, bought with bank loans guaranteed by ... guess whose central banks?

    At the peak of the fiscal crisis Greece took a one-time 20% cut in military spending, but it was restored within three years.

    Upshot: it's not just feckless tax-evading citizens — a chunk of it is down to long-standing government policy to settle the ghosts of a dictatorship, institutional failure of the existing parties to phase out the system decades after it had served its purpose, French and German arms manufacturers failing to perform due diligence on their customers' creditworthiness (can you see Germany allowing MBDA or France allowing Dassault to get into financial shit because of Greek over-borrowing?), and then the whole teetering pile falling over when the global financial crisis yanked the rug out from under it.

    653:

    Whatever "birthplace of democracy" ancient history argument you may suspect, recent history was likely more relevant: Greece had gotten rid of the Junta a decade previously and wanted them to stay gone; EU membership is supposed to help with that kind of thing.

    And they weren't trading much with their neighbours anyway, being that said neighbours were: behind the Iron Curtain, Tito's Yugoslavia, and Turkey (who they were at Not-War with over Cyprus).

    654:

    Regarding Hitler laughter: anyone who is strongly motivated by insecurity and overly compensating for it is going to overreact to jabs that come near. Hitler was extremely self-conscious about his education (or lack of it) and his failure to get into art school. He was thus incredibly skeptical of people with learning because he felt they were all in an elitist club and would be looking down their noses at him. IIRC Goebbels was very rare for the inner circle, being an actual doctor. His improbable rise to power was contrary to what all the experts said. His generals advised against all of his early land grabs which were successful gambles. He was like the Russian roulette player whose just pulled the trigger three times against the advice of bystanders and thinks he's proven them wrong.

    It's tempting to play amateur shrink on major historical figures but this is well-documented.

    655:

    "Every time a house goes off the grid, an oil rig dies."

    ROTFLMAO!!! I trust that no kittens were harmed in the creation of that post?

    mark

    657:

    Your writing is too postmodern and clever for me. I prefer to communicate in plain old English.

    Perspective of a long-time lurker here: I've always just read her posts as elaborate performance art. A blend of insult comedy and news commentary from an intersectional, critical gender theory perspective. For anyone other than Stross himself, to engage her--particularly as Greg Tingey and others do to express any frustration at her elliptical, Straussian way--is simply to become part of her act. Best to just sit back and enjoy the show.

    That said, the articles and whatnot that she links to are often quite informative and not the type of thing you'd come across through mass media outlets.

    I do wonder sometimes if she behaves so in person in everyday life, like ordering a cup of coffee at Starbucks or food at a restaurant. Actually, now that I think about it, I'd pay money to watch that.

    Lastly, for any Brits/Commonwealth folks in the house: being American, I assume her frequent "nose wiggle" remark is a reference to Elizabeth Montgomery's character in the 1960s sitcom Bewitched. Am I wrong and that's actually a reference to some bit of Brit pop culture I'm not aware of?

    658:

    Oh dearie shitbiscuits.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/reuters-orders-reporters-to-cover-trump-like-an-authoritarian-regime-expect-physical-threats/

    Reuters orders reporters to cover Trump like an authoritarian regime: Expect ‘physical threats’

    The Reuters news agency this week recognized the challenges of covering Donald Trump’s presidency by comparing it to authoritarian regimes like Egypt, Yemen and China.

    “It’s not every day that a U.S. president calls journalists ‘among the most dishonest human beings on earth’ or that his chief strategist dubs the media ‘the opposition party’,” Reuters Editor-in-Chief Steve Adler wrote in a message to staff on Tuesday. “It’s hardly surprising that the air is thick with questions and theories about how to cover the new Administration.”

    He cited the organization’s work in “Turkey, the Philippines, Egypt, Iraq, Yemen, Thailand, China, Zimbabwe, and Russia” as an example of how to report on the Trump administration.

    The wife this morning was talking about how fucked this story was in Nigerian media. She shows me the article and here's an African nation talking about the imminent threat of losing health care in the US. "I bet they're going to take up a collection for dying red-staters!"

    I can't find the story from googling but either John Oliver or the Daily Show had a segment about an international medical charity (thought it was doctors without borders but nothing pinged) coming to Appalachia and saying it's one of the worst situations they've seen.

    659:

    Re: '... said neighbours were: behind the Iron Curtain, Tito's Yugoslavia, and Turkey (who they were at Not-War with over Cyprus).'

    Agree - Greece had been isolated for some time, disingenuous to think this wouldn't matter.

    Charlie - re: military spending ...

    The choice maybe was putting the Greek (ex-)military on lifetime payroll or the hell-to-pay that happened in Iraq when the US rolled in and basically killed its military which then quickly led to collapse of a good chunk of Iraq's economy. Or maybe a lesson-learned from pre-WW2 Japan, i.e., military implicated in several assassinations of key gov't finance types including Prime Minister Osachi Hamaguchi who was assassinated in 1930.

    660:

    Other interesting link: Alibaba founder politely devastates American misappropriation of resources.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-0jbIC4yig

    Astounding creation of wealth and squandering on pointless, stupid wars rather than investing in the people and infrastructure.

    My wife's family is a story of the welfare state working. They came from wealth back home but the money ran out when the patriarch died. They lost everything in a flood and were literally scrounging out of the garbage. They were in the Chicago poverty program and had excellent access to public education and using every resource available clawed their way into the middle class. Five children, all earning over $100k and firmly in the upper middle class and paying nice, fat taxes on all that. It's the American Dream, it's the way the system is supposed to operate. It's what the Republicans are gleefully dismantling.

    How much money has this country squandered?

    "United States expenditures for nuclear weapons and weapons-related programs beteen 1940 and 1996 consumed nearly $5.5 trillion in adjusted 1996 dollars. That is 29 percent of all military spending and 11 percent of all Federal Government spending."

    So, backing that in, 1/.29*5.5=18.9? So $19 trillion total military spending. (assuming I didn't fat-finger the math.)

    "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

    Pres. Dwight D. Eisenhower.

    661:

    I have thought for years that the USA has all necessary requirements for a facist regime to take over except the charismatic leader.

    Then it turns out that one isn't required, after decades of fighting by the rich and powerful to consolidate their positions. Looks like i was wrong.

    662:

    "Trump is a Judeophile. His daughter is Jewish, his sons married Jews, many of his best friends are Jewish, he has many Jews in his administration, he is very popular with conservative and religious Jews. So maybe this "nazi" and "anti-semitism" stuff is just a little over the top and hysterical?"

    Politics makes for some really, really strange bedfellows. The Nazis were expressly hostile to homosexuals but Ernst Rohm, head of the SA, was really, really out and proud. Well, he also died in the Night of the Long Knives so maybe they were just tolerating him while he was useful.

    I still have trouble reconciling the conservative coalition that's been operative in this country for my entire adult life. Marching in lockstep you have religious conservatives, libertarians and wall street sociopaths. How do you reconcile the teachings of Jesus with "fuck the poor" social cuts? With outsized Wall Street bonuses? How can true social libertarians (I want my drugs and any sex I can imagine, no regulations!) be in bed with the bible-thumpers? It's the sort of thing I wouldn't buy in a novel but this is the observed reality.

    The point Charlie made above about the explosive growth of the party once it got access to power, I think that explains a lot of it. You don't have to believe the rhetoric/politics/theology of a power structure to advance in it, you just have to believe in the power. If Scientology was handing out high-paying jobs left and right, how many do you think would say praise Xenu and go along with it?

    A really eye-opening picture explains it all. You know Republicans make it a point of pride to reject multiculturalism. They get chuffed on ignorance. Nothing makes them happier than acting ignorant towards people who think/act differently. And of course you've got a liberal dose of gay-hating to go along with it. But here's George W. Bush, noted dimwit and cultural illiterate, kissing the cheek and walking hand in hand with a Saudi prince. There's nothing gay about it in Saudi culture, it fits the cultural norms for manly men, but here's Dubya photographed doing it. You know they don't give two shits about Saudi culture and being accommodating. What they respect is power/money. If it just so happened the richest oil kingdom in the world is big into the furry fandom you know the Republicans would have the cat ears and fox tails on quicker than flag pins.

    663:

    "No, the "special action groups" were cheaper and faster at killing large numbers of people.

    Shooting was more efficient than gas.

    The camps were used instead because of the political fallout from "massacre in place", and because the wastage among the executioners had gotten very high.

    The aim of the extermination camps was to keep the killing out of sight, and to limit the number of Germans who had to do actual hands-on stuff."

    Every commentary I saw on it said that the camps were more efficient. It allowed the slaughter to become more automated, less direct interaction between SS personnel and the victims. The psychological toll on the special action groups was tremendous and they were losing a lot of men to PTSD and suicide. Using jewish workers for the hands-on parts of extermination and then killing and replacing them from the future batches was considered more efficient and effective.

    I have to say the experimental and iterative nature of the holocaust, the way it was treated as an engineering problem, that's the really shocking thing. I can understand axe-crazy murderers, they're just nuts. But people who worked on putting the death machine together, they were sane and rational by any measure. They knew what they were doing. You can't explain it away.

    664:

    Not sure if this is the study ... but Appalachia has a ton of problems - very low education, high unemployment, crappy Internet penetration and connection, high opioid addiction, etc.

    Exploring the Etiologic Factors and Dynamics of Prescription Drug Abuse in Southwest Virginia

    Conclusions: A constellation of conditions have led to the epidemic of prescription drug abuse in Southwest Virginia, including poverty, unemployment and work-related injuries, besides, public health education programs on the dangers of prescription opiate misuse and abuse are urgently needed.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3963639/

    Vaccination rates are low in Appalachia vs. rest of USA.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6334a1.htm#Tab3

    The number of physicians per 100,000 population isn't that bad in this region until one considers that 62.5% of this pop'n is medicaid-elligible (i.e., dirt poor), therefore cancelling Obamacare is going to add to their hurt.

    Note to non-USAians: the number of DOs vs. MDs is on the rise in the US. DO is doctor of osteopathy, and they're allowed exactly the same privileges as MDs in the USofA. (Remember this the next time you visit the US.)

    https://members.aamc.org/eweb/upload/2015StateDataBook%20(revised).pdf

    http://www.governing.com/gov-data/medicaid-expansion-affordable-care-act-state-eligibility-data.html

    Note: The article below has been a tempest in a teapot for years .... today's version is pro-DO other times the article includes info along the lines that no other developed country recognizes the DO as a medical degree therefore requires holders of a DO to actually get a real MD degree if they want to practice medicine.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_MD_and_DO_in_the_United_States

    665:

    Wind, solar, nuclear, hamsters in wheels, it's not going to make much of a difference in the rate of extraction of oil. Oil per se produces a very small amount of grid electricity while renewables mainly displace other grid dispatchable operations like nuclear and coal generating stations while being backstopped by new-build combined-cycle gas turbine generators.

    Electric cars might make a bit of a dent in oil production but it's not going to mean that extractable oil resources will be "left in the ground because no-one really wants it." It's free money, basically.

    For the past decade and more Britain has been building lots and lots of wind turbines with lots of government help producing lots of headlines and breathless articles about new projects. The result is about 9GW of dataplate wind generating capacity that can deliver about 2GW on average -- some days it's 50MW (in mid-December 2016) and some days it's 5GW (like today). Britain at the same time has built out over 20GW of combined-cycle gas turbine generating capability and nobody noticed, but when it's dark and cold and windless those on-demand gas generators keep the lights on, the central heating pumps running and charge the batteries in the electric cars that people think are going to be powered exclusively by renewables any day now, really.

    666:

    So you're not disagreeing with the main thrust of my post, merely with a bit tagged on the end which wasn't even the main point.

    667:

    Charlie, the following is a quote from the post you're replying to:

    "Oh, well, there's an upside -- I'm still hoping that when that mob gives Jean-Claude Junker what he deserves someone uploads the video to YouTube."

    With all due respect, why does that not earn a red card?

    668:

    Not sure where this "Bannon is a Nazi" stuff is coming from either. David Goldman wrote about that here if you're interested: https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2016/11/15/why-the-bie-lie-about-steve-bannon/

    669:

    Yes, Steve, it would be. Calling for his death is unacceptable. Pretending that you are not calling for his death is weaselly and disgusting.

    You do not seem to have changed.

    670:

    Very postmodern. Nice attempt to shut up criticism with reference to irrelevant personal experience.

    We could duel this one out. I can remember at least four ... two in front of me ... no, no, let's not. We don't have access to the counterfactual us.

    You should apologize for the Juncker remark. You won't. Because that's not what you do.

    But I will ask Charlie why you don't get a red card. Charlie?

    671:

    The fact that he actually asked "are Jews people?" and banned his children from attending a school because it was attended by Jews are good indicator, no?

    Also, your terminology("Judeophile") and the sites you link too are...telling.

    672:

    "There is a third way of calling an early UK election. And that's to repeal the Fixed Term Parliament Act first."

    Elections were previously called using the Queen's Prerogative but that power is now with Parliament, so explicit legislation might now be needed to reverse that rather than simply repealing the Act.

    https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2014/11/19/alexander-horne-and-richard-kelly-prerogative-powers-and-the-fixed-term-parliaments-act/

    673:

    Indeed.

    A summary of the linked article: Man who cheerleads for Trump, defends his top advisor. In other news: Rain is wet.

    (And now I need to go wash my brain out.)

    674:

    Troutwaxer said @624: I recently read a book called "Hack The Planet"

    Thanks for the book. I just ordered a copy. I can't find the interview I was looking for, but this one is close.

    CNN & Former Microsoft Head Talk Of Geo Engineering The Planet Part 1 OF 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e5mxVfDBbY

    CNN & Former Microsoft Head Talk Of Geo Engineering The Planet Part 2 OF 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCyOGLWM0mA

    675:

    I answer to you but also answer to points from others, hope it's fine for everyone instead of writing 3-4 different posts.

    • Greece being isolated. This is something that most people miss about Greece - try googling for "world's largest merchant shipping fleets" (also, keep in mind that Greece has 11 million inhabitants, and Japan has 123).

    • Charlie on tanks. Well, yes, even if most people would immediately think of submarines instead (again, google "greece submarines scandal" - a paywalled WSJ article from 2010 is one of the very first hits, I believe this is the archived text: http://bazaarmodel.net/phorum/read.php?1,8434).

    One other theory I heard in the past on why Greece was "admitted" in the EU is based on the fact that before the Lisbon treaty every member of the EU could unilaterally veto some initiatives, including admitting a new member state. So Greece and Cyprus (the latter would not really qualify as "cradle of civilization" or "strategical NATO outpost") were included to make sure that Turkey would not get in until later. To fully appreciate this, take in account that the number of seats in the EU parliament is assigned based on population (it's not directly proportional, though more details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apportionment_in_the_European_Parliament) and that Germany has 80 millions inhabitants and Turkey clocks in at 79.8 according to 2016 census).

    Someone mentioned Goldman Sachs. That's a bit of a spoiler, I think. I would have waited a bit more before introducing them, for maximum dramatic effect.

    676:

    Listened to that Sunforest youtube/read the lyrics maybe 10 times. For some reason (perhaps too young) had never heard of them. Never listed to much psychedelic folk or psychedelica in general, my loss. These lines in particular are grabbing: So if you think you're where you are Beware! You're far away A mystery that has no clue Where are you, where are you?

    Been working through a massive backlog of pdfs which is why no response. (Don't read papers anywhere close to as fast as you apparently do.) Anyway, some ramblings re the Inoculating the Public against Misinformation about Climate Change paper (convenience relink)(and a subject which is something I care about), and Practically, these findings suggest that, when possible, communicating the scientific consensus on human-caused climate change should be accompanied by information that forewarns the public that politically or economically motivated actors may seek to undermine the findings of climate science. In addition, audiences should be provided with the “cognitive repertoire”— a basic explanation about the nature of disinformation campaigns— to pre-emptively refute such attempts. (bold mine) Saw this metanalysis in the references and dipped some toes into it (not my field so be kind please :-) ): A meta-analysis of research on inoculation theory (2010) which strongly suggests that such innoculation works in general. A meta-analysis of 54 cases testing the effectiveness of inoculation theory at conferring resistance and examining the mechanisms of the theory was conducted. The analyses revealed inoculation messages to be superior to both supportive messages and notreatment controls at conferring resistance. Some personal long theological conversations with deeply religious people (and related conversations about (microbio)vaccination and GMOs and guns (USian)) have demonstrated to me that inoculation in particular can be (and is) used to reinforce odd and/or counterfactual (IMO!) belief systems, so the meta aspects (e.g. bolded above) are probably key. The metaanalysis doesn't generalize to educating people about these manipulation techniques in general, but it seems obvious (OK to me) that such education, particularly if widespread and carefully made neutral, would, if done well, improve matters in many ways, including weakening of population tendencies toward directional motivated reasoning, and in particular, partisan motivated reasoning, and hopefully also increasing levels of accuracy motivated reasoning. So, how to orchestrate this sort of education with zero or negative support from governments?

    Recent related work (and more by the same authors): The Influence of Partisan Motivated Reasoning on Public Opinion (2014) Counteracting the politicization of science(2015) (Findings on page 21)

    Unrelated, don't have the background to evaluate whether or not it's a game changer, anyone care to comment?: Flipping the switch on ammonia production: Process generates electricity instead of consuming energy Bioelectrochemical Haber–Bosch Process: An Ammonia-Producing H2/N2 Fuel Cell (abstract only without access, which I don't have.)

    677:

    My fear is not for a Reichstag Fire, in its "the Nazis planned it" conspiracy sense, but rather that some extremist group (e.g., ISIS or allies) will do the deed for real and provide the necessary excuses for a crackdown. Imagine, for example, what might have happened had Trump been in power during 9/11.

    This would take advantage of the kind of scarily co-dependent behavior that would benefit both sides of the fight: a real win-win (or perhaps lose-lose) situation. In a really scary alt-factual world or a Hollywood thriller, this would be negotiated in a smokey back room somewhere in the Middle East, with weapons and sums of money changing hands. (Is Oliver North available? He has the necessary training.) But it could just as easily happen by tacit consent... the powers that be receive good intel on an imminent attack, and "accidentally" look away at precisely the wrong moment or choose due diligence and take a little too long confirming the intel...

    Lest we forget the lessons of history and believe that such a thing would never happen in a modern Western democracy, I refer my American friends and colleagues to a little Canadian thing called the "October crisis" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis), which happened about 50 years ago. If it could happen with us peaceable, low-stress, live and let live Canucks, it could certainly happen in the more truculent and heavily armed U.S.

    679:

    wrt the knowledge German WWII Wehrmacht soldiers had of the Holocaust - the British did the same as they always did in these circumstances: secretly bugged prisoners (see Operation Epsilon). "Soldaten; Secret WWII Transcripts of German POWs" by Soenke Neitzel and Harald Weltzer is an excellent resource on this topic - wax cylinders, transcribed and declassified in the UK in 1996 along with over 100,000 documents in the US National Archive make it clear that many of them knew about these operations.

    Some harrowing details contained in the link below but that almost goes without saying on this topic.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/24/soldaten-secret-wwii-transcripts-of-german-pows-by-soenke-neitzel-harald-welzer.html

    There are some decent written interviews with both authors on the net as well as some YT interviews depending on the quality of your German.

    On the subject of the Holocaust - had my first experience online with an actual Nazi this last week who suggested it's about time we had another one. I'm therefore redoubling my efforts at the gym because I've noticed that a lot of these neo-nazi fuckers spend a lot of time doing MMA and the like (like Putin's semi-deniable football hooligan helpers). I'm convinced that we've two to three years tops before it kicks off properly and I want to have the cardio to run when I have to and the strength to fight if needs be.

    680:

    I note that Bewitched ran on Saturday morning TV in the UK in the 1970s. I remember it. However, my impression is that our resident performance artist is somewhat younger than I am.

    681:

    Greece joined the EC in 1981. At the time, being a goal for ex-dictatorships was what the EU was about. This also sent a number of useful messages both to countries in a similar situation (Spain and Portugal both joined a few years later) and to eastern Europe ("throw off your Communist masters and join us").

    Cyprus joined 23 years later, in a completely different context.

    In neither case was this driven by keeping Turkey out. Joining requires unanimous agreement of the existing members, and many other EU members would veto Turkey.

    (Brexit was partially driven by David Cameron being unwilling to poke Turkey in the eye by publicly reminding them of this fact.)

    Given that Greece was in the EU when the Euro was set up, and the Greek government wanted to join it, and the general EU project was helped by them joining the Euro... it seems that nobody asked too many awkward questions.

    682:

    Because I didn't notice it, that's why.

    (I'm mostly skimming at present because you will note there are over 600 comments here — 100/day — and I'm trying to redraft a book this week and next week I have to check the page proofs to a different book. This doesn't leave a lot of time for blog interactions and I'm a couple of days late writing my next blog essay ...)

    JOAT: As Noel notes, that crack about videos of Jean-Claud Junker being lynched? That's a red card offense against the moderation policy. I'll let it slide this time because I missed it, but you're on notice. Play nice or else.

    683:

    Greenja is banned (proximate cause: anti-semitic dog-whistling — I know it when I hear it).

    684:

    "Bewitched" has been in syndication for decades, she could have seen it anywhere/anywhen.

    685:

    The Euro accession rules were set really tightly to give the new currency some credit (so to speak) with markets from Day One but without a lot of fudging quite a few keelplate members of the common currency (such as Ireland) wouldn't have got through the door. The idea was that once they were in, being on the Euro would improve their financial standards on the principle of "a rising tide lifts all boats". As it turned out some countries wouldn't or couldn't stop fiddling the books even with the ECB looking over their shoulder, Greece and Cyprus being the gold standard (so to speak).

    686:

    "I'm trying to redraft a book this week"

    Do I gather correctly from your twitter that this involves shifting "Dark State" (which I thought you'd said was more or less fixed by now) clear of Trump's encroachment into its phase space?

    If I may make the suggestion, having just read "Empire Games", I'd say don't worry too much about it. For a couple of reasons...

    The unpleasantly high likelihood that further real-world events will cause the same problem to recur with the redrafted version when it really is too late to change it again, rendering all your effort wasted.

    To read discussions of the Gestapo's attention being directed to certain people because (like myself) they do not have mobile phones, further up this thread and in "Empire Games", more or less simultaneously, felt... extremely weird, to say the least. But if anything it added to my enjoyment of the book, and certainly didn't detract from it.

    Can't say the same for my enjoyment of the real world. But it could well be argued that making it clear to people who might consider themselves at little risk how apparently insignificant behaviours could make you a target is no bad thing.

    687:

    Well, he did actually provide that juicy link, and we were being very very nice to him.

    Hubris, they're not good at resisting it.

    For Greg etc to explain the interchange a little bit closer & show you Host hasn't gone mad with power and started purging all dissenting voices:

    Meet the American Hedge Fund Billionaire Who Could Start a ‘Holy War’ in the Middle East Islamaphobia Today, Feb 3rd, 2017

    PJ Media Wiki Link

    nose wiggle

    688:

    Your writing is too postmodern and clever for me. I prefer to communicate in plain old English.

    Sadly you posted the required Obol to another poster, and not me.

    No Soup for You!

    689:

    Note: The link provided is... well. Problematic in entirely the opposite direction.

    It's a Godaddy site (never a good sign) and the FB links etc suggest someone's op. It's fairly well written and researched though, so hmm.

    File under:

    thatsthejoke.jpg and mightbesteppingonshoes.gif

    ~

    But Aubrey Chernick is whacky enough to not have a Wiki page (legal eagles ahoy).

    But he's a known entity:

    The often-bellicose outlet—which once deployed Joe “The Plumber” Wurzelbacher as a war correspondent in Israel, and featured truculent firebrand Bill Whittle (who joked at a Ted Cruz rally that gun-toting Texans should shoot at cars bearing California plates), talk radio jock Tammy Bruce, and Instapundit blogger Glenn Reynolds among its roster of a dozen conservative and libertarian personalities—abruptly stopped producing video content this week at its lavish television studio and editing facilities in El Segundo, hard by LAX.

    The Death of PJTV: How Aubrey Chernick’s Right Wing Media Dream Died Daily Beast, Mar 2016

    ~

    Actual interesting bit: Tech Mogul Wars, begun they have (or someone is just using crappy sites to prop up a narrative that we're kinda immune to in these parts).

    690:

    Actually a lot more interesting angle:

    Aubrey Chernick / PJ Media spent a lot of cash failing to do what Breitbart succeeded at. Eight years of burn.

    50/50 on bandwagonning / spite / attempting to get in where Breitbart is hurting (Breitbart loses advertising deals with 818 companies due to grassroots campaign Independent, Feb 2nd 2017).

    Damn.

    If you're going to troll, don't make me hunt down your lairs and look under the hood to see what you're up to.

    p.s.

    632

    Minor Graw.

    Sadducee's / Pharisees 1.9k year old lie. Sadducee's were the power players @ the time of Jesus, Pharisees were the outsiders looking to mobilize lower caste economic peeps - thus Barabbas. When the Gospels were written, well - post AD70, let's say the sides had changed (largely due to the Romans not being ones to fuck around with the whole "Don't challenge Empire" line).

    Pet peeve, wish the Pope or someone would put out some proclamations on it. Oh, Sadducee's were 100% for the 0.1% Herod rule etc though. Guess why they don't get the blame...sigh.

    691:

    And since we're doing historical revisionism tonight (thank-you Greenja & Marino_bib)

    I've never worked out why Christians haven't worked through the entire Jesus thing with nuances of politics and economics.

    Sadducee's (from now on: S) and Pharisees (from now on: P) were locked in a largely political and economic struggle (esp. over Herod and Rome) within society, with the S largely representing official Temple politics and caste structure, with the P representing the lower strata (and were also a lot more virulently anti-Rome / occupation, 'cause, derp, they were the ones not getting the Roman coins).

    The Big J thing plays out where John the B is initially the real worry (Messiahs were two-a-penny in those days), since he's a fan of the P and is also organizing / grooming his protegee (J, slated for big things). Which is kinda why the S had him killed (no, really: that happened).

    Post the offing off J-t-B, P are majorly pissed and ready for more direct action. The Big J isn't into this, and does his thing (he also parties a bit). The S see Big J as the existential / political / spiritual threat, while P gets into Barabbas territory (let's call it: direct action via the knife and some graffiti).

    S eventually nail Big J for sedition while Rome has nabbed the Big-B for actual terrorism. Major spat occurs, Rome vrs local government with Pontius literally wishing he'd not pissed off the wrong players in Rome to get sent to this penal placement (no, really: back then Judea was considered already fucking annoying to everyone else, the position was on the rungs of "well, we'll let you stay in the club, but here's the problematic province to deal with" - it wasn't the only one, but due to trade routes, it required a little bit of seniority).

    So, S push for the spectacle of getting rid of J-t-B's protegee, now the Big-J: Rome/P is like really REALLY: You're making a fucking shit storm over some fairly harmless hippy vrs a guy we know ganked our soldiers?!?

    S - YEEESSSS. IMPORTANT.

    So, shit goes down.

    Everyone revolts anyhow.

    Rome does what it promised. AD70 and so on.

    The Ps then continue and the third revolt (which, strangely enough, never gets a film or air time, despite involving kick-ass revolt, battles and politics), features the P's greatest desire: a militant Messiah figure who is good in battle.

    Rome eats a bit of dirt, then, well: Don't fuck with Empire. SQUISH!

    Judea gets spanked: again.

    Rome then gets into the business of a) eradicating annoying province and b) thinking that the Big-J was probably a better idea than the P's Spartacus leanings.

    The S's - well, oops. They kinda got eradicated a while back, so fuck it, we'll write the story with the P's being the bad guys.

    Srsly.

    That's a great film, instead of Mel's "three hours of torture pr0n".

    ~

    It's also true.

    Well, I suppose this counts as "Head Canon". cough

    692:

    That "story" (not really: tis true) also happens to kinda erase the 2k years of Blood Libel shit.

    Cause, you know: S got eradicated (well, most of them), P's were forced into a position where they were against both Rome and the S, and so had to go for their strongest option (as they thought: sadly, no Twitter, so they didn't really understand what "Multiple Legions" meant) while Big-J was like: "DUDES: TOTALLY GET THIS GEO-POLITICAL THING, TRYING TO STOP A GENOCIDE HERE, IT'S REALLY ANNOYING TO HAVE TO ELUCIDATE THIS ALL THROUGH MEMES AND OLD STORIES, BUT KILL ME INSTEAD ALREADY!"

    Of course, events rolled on, but the Big-J really did get this. He wasn't accidentally cruising around on Donkeys because his Uber Horse didn't turn up.

    ~

    And that's a hexad.

    And, if everyone had bothered to go with the true story, well. History would be a little different (in your Stream).

    693:

    ~

    Oh, and combo-breaker:

    @host - that pic of Milo with the slogan "Not my president". 100% psyop / advertising.

    "Not my president" was a bad meme from Dem. Highers: they're trolling.

    Note the font / artistic nature of the style: the person doing it was staring into Milo's eyes with lust and love while doing it.

    Any serious Agitprop would have marred the face: that's what humans do when they hate, they disfigure the Face/Mirror.

    https://twitter.com/fussybabybitch

    So obvious, it even underlines the Advert on the left side, with an unsubtle arrow to the left to focus the eyes on the Brand Name.

    ~

    In other news, it turns out that it's not only SONY marketing execs who will need hunting down and teaching why Hugo Boss wasn't a fucking role model.

    694:

    FFS.

    It's a direct Breitbart setup.

    http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/02/02/milo-tour-bus-vandalized-leftist-leaks-location-online/

    If these fucks don't get more subtle, we might have to bother to engage. The only sad thing is that the toddlers are the best defense left.

    And no, you don't get a fucking pass for cancelling the advertising when it's common knowledge they're fascists. You already made your +$millions.

    When the Music's Over YT: music The Doors, 10:59

    695:

    Thanks for that - appreciate the different perspective.

    696:

    Since you wanted a Mad Dragon, so be it:

    Uber CEO Leaves Trump’s Advisory Council Amid Controversy Bloomberg, 2nd Feb, 2017

    Disney’s already made a bust of Donald Trump for the Hall of Presidents Yahoo, 11th Nov, 2016

    Walt Disney CEO joins Uber in pulling out of Trump’s business advisory group event Rawstory, 2nd Feb 2017

    Too. Fucking. Late. My. Pretties.

    Especially if it's post TPP cancellation.

    If you can squash Disney being fucking Nazis (again), well. It's all about the dollar, so be it.

    Wildhunt 2017

    Hands them Knowledge

    Wait until you see the Gene Shock Stuff.

    Hexad - Triptych.

    This is the rather more mature form of "dubs / trips" from the KeK ones.

    697:

    Hidden joke:

    Third Servile War (73–71 BC)

    First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE)

    The joke is that everyone loves to imagine that their history is unique, special and forges untold heights in the Pantheon of Humanity. (They held out a lot longer due to travel time, fortifications and ultimately, geography though - that's accidental, however).

    Nope, fucking re-runs.

    Now, get yourself a bit of the Third Revolt, that's where the action is at.

    The Bar Kokhba revolt (Hebrew: מרד בר כוכבא‎; Mered Bar Kokhba) was a rebellion of the Jews of the Roman province of Judea, led by Simon bar Kokhba, against the Roman Empire. Fought circa 132–136 CE,

    Bar Kokhba revolt

    No, really: much more important than the AD70 destruction of the Temple bollocks you're all being fed:

    The revolt erupted as a result of ongoing religious and political tensions in Judea following on the failure of the First Revolt in 66−70 CE. These tensions were related to the establishment of a large Roman presence in Judea, changes in administrative life and the economy, together with the outbreak and suppression of Jewish revolts from Mesopotamia to Libya and Cyrenaica.[4] The proximate reasons seem to centre around the proscription of circumcision, the construction of a new city, Aelia Capitolina, over the ruins of Jerusalem, and the erection of a temple to Jupiter on the Temple Mount.[5] The Church Fathers and rabbinic literature emphasize governor of Judaea Rufus' role in provoking the revolt.[6]

    Wikipedia has no mention of the political structures in place, S / P 's.

    This means it's written by muppets.

    Go check out the actual history of it. Fun, formative, and totally destructive of the notion that anyone is special and/or not like everyone else in war. Hint: Roman Civilians - massacred. Judean civilians - massacred. And so on.

    Fuck your shitty childish narratives.

    ~

    Funny joke: ask your average Israeli / USA 'Zionist' about מרד בר כוכבא‎.

    Answer: No fucking clue.

    It's like asking the Scots to forget William Wallace (yes, I did just slip a Mel Gibson Braveheart joke in there) and finding out they don't even know what fucking haggis is.

    That's what happens if you artificially construct something instead of listening to the Voices Of The Dead.

    [Note: this is really offensive to a lot of people. But it's also not. shrug. It's not offensive to Us, so - time to Learn and Have a Little Pride, they've already proved they'll kill you. If you're going to resurrect the past via language, get it right: New Zealand HAKA - they respect those who fought, they really do]

    p.s.

    A bit strong.

    But fuck it: Russian Authoritarian Nonsense perverting the entire country, fuck you.

    698:

    The joke is that everyone loves to imagine that their history is unique, special and forges untold heights in the Pantheon of Humanity.

    Well, no. My ancestors must have experienced their share of invasion, war, rebellion, famine and death: all the way from the Romans down to farm-farm land-grabs having as little geopolitical significance as Borchester Land kicking the Grundys out of Grange Farm. It doesn't mean that I want to go round restoring empires or rerunning the Battle of Kosovo. There are more important things to worry about — one of which is called live and let live.

    699:

    Euw

    Really mad.

    Incidentally, you'd think the Isrealis would learn, wouldn't you?

    Almost the entire historical bit ( as opposed to the BigSkyFairy bit ) of the "bible" is concerned with how Israel & Judah consistently & repeatedly over-reached themselves & then got squashed. I'd call it pathetic, if it didn't involve so much suffering & death.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    P.S. The you go & lose the plot & start using whitespoace again. Oh dear.

    Could you PLEASE post more like that on>? [ And sections of 689-909, dealing also with erm "Jewish History" ]

    700:

    Except Yeshua ben Joseph specifically said: "Pay your taxes" - thus lining himself up with the S's in spite of almost all of the rest of his rhetoic supporting the P's [ Eye of Needle gate etc ] Uh?

    701:

    Very reminiscent of certain "Irish" moaners, including fuckwits with guns ( Whatever the latest-version-of-the-revived-IRA-call-themselves-this-week ) & loudmouths in the USSA who haven't a clue, any of them.

    Not often I agree with McGuiness, but, like he said: "the war is OVER" Some people won't ( not can't ) learn.

    See also J I-P @ 697

    702:

    TYPOS!

    698 should read: 689-690

    699 "RHETORIC" dammit!

    703:

    Do I gather correctly from your twitter that this involves shifting "Dark State" (which I thought you'd said was more or less fixed by now) clear of Trump's encroachment into its phase space?

    Yes, it's the final revisions of DARK STATE before production (copy-editing/typesetting) begins, I hope. Much of this goes back to March last year — there's some resequencing of scenes to make the action flow better, and more polishing of prose. Bulletproofing it against Trump is pretty much impossible, but I'm dialing up the background nastiness in time line two a little. I'm focussing more on heightening the contrast with time line three by tweaking the latter because I've got more scope to get creatively ~utopian there. (The Commonwealth is not a utopia and isn't intended to resemble one, but they have tried to learn from time line two's mistakes and in some areas they've been successful.)

    Next week it's time to check the page proofs for THE DELIRIUM BRIEF. And the week after that I'm off to New York and Boston. Maybe I can take a brief break from work once I get back but right now it's looking like 3-4 consecutive working weeks with no more than the occasional single day off ...

    704:

    Could you PLEASE post more like that one?

    Yes indeed. I found it very interesting too. Maybe I should have written "restoring empires, rerunning the Battle of Kosovo, or raising the Third Temple". But why bother? Round where I live, there's organised religion too. Organised religion which concerns itself with maintaining beautiful buildings, selling luscious cakes with coffee (I particularly recommend the dinner-plate shortbreads made by Margaret from Cutteslowe Community Centre), fêtes (which I'm very happy to subsidise by selling my cartoons at), and non-religious pastoral activities, such as helping people left stranded by last year's cuts to council-subsidised bus services. And while you might, every Ascension Day, suspect said religion of territorial ambitions, these go only as far as Beating the Bounds.

    705:

    For reference. A quote from that well-known, dangerous communist/left rag the "Financial Times" cough

    "Handing a country &^ its nuclear codes to a volatile, narcissistic, lying Putin-supporting sexually-harassing, law-defying racist is not a reasonable choice."

    706:

    Also someone made a "Bewitched" film... I was going to say recently, but I suspect it was a decade ago now. But that will have poked it into the consciousness (and subconscious) of plenty of people who it might otherwise have slipped past.

    707:

    And since we're doing historical revisionism tonight (thank-you Greenja & Marino_bib)

    what have I to do with historical revisionism? Given that IMHO Irving et al. are the scummiest scum of the earth?

    I suppose I'm "SJW-tinged" like you are. (meta-joke...) And I suppose you could find easily my true identity. You have just to look for someone who uses as avatar this nick written in Marain script. Maybe I'm from Special Circumstances...

    708:

    I'm a newbie even being a long time lurker, but may I dare asking for a bit of leniency towards Joat, bad as is lines were?

    Just remember him that Erik von Shrakenberg wouldn't have voted Trump and Bannon is really a poor man's copy of Elvira Naldorssen... :-) :-) He'll understand. :-)

    709:

    Re Planning/Authorization for the "Final Solution"

    Actually, IIUC, the Heer (Army) (Not the SS) was marching around Poland in the fall of 1939 committing "The Usual Atrocities", mainly against Jews.

    So it was deeply embedded in the Reich cultural DNA.

    710:

    RE our Hosts comments about US racism, disasters, etc.

    Post Katrina clarification, other than the members of the New Orleans Police department running around shooting "Looters" who just happened to be Minority group members. A couple actually are going to prison for that.

    Also the Chicago Police and their off the books "black" interrogation (torture) detention facility.

    Some unknowable (significant) portion of US law enforcement is controlled by right wing propaganda organ watching would be storm troopers. As long as the local Drug Task force confines it's efforts to the poor/minority community, the comfortably better off remain oblivious.

    711:

    For Greg (and others):

    As the Trump presidency continues and more of the promised policies are introduced, it is important that scientists and others continue to see the stick. The tactic, if indeed it is deliberate, of taking an extreme initial position and then retreating behind a bridgehead, should not mask the likely impact of the commuted action. Normalization is not an option. Equally, it is crucial that there is no decrease in the appetite for dissent and protest over unacceptable and ill-informed decisions that are based on ideology rather than evidence — on vaccine safety and climate change, for example.

    http://www.nature.com/news/demand-decisions-based-on-evidence-not-ideology-1.21392

    Having lived through the Harris years in Ontario (not to mention Harper and Ford), I'm not at all certain that an "appetite for dissent" can be maintained. When there are real costs for dissent and no apparent results, people get fatigued and begin to acquiesce to things that would have got them boiling mad a few years earlier.

    712:

    Re: 'CEOs leave Trump committee ...'

    Wouldn't get too excited ... these orgs/CEOs are more concerned with bottom lines than human rights. Disney & UBER get tons of revenue from outside the US - not something they'd want to walk away from easily.

    Reminder: When looking at US$ revenue generated from within non-US regions, keep in mind that $10million USD revenue in Italy is equivalent to at least 3 times that amount within that geographic market if looked at as total-share-of-that-market/economy. So, $10M USD revenue from Italian ops is equivalent to $30M (at least) from the US market. (Market share leadership is esp. relevant in getting or keeping distribution control, i.e., ability/ease of generating more money in the future.)

    http://www.businessofapps.com/uber-usage-statistics-and-revenue/

    http://csimarket.com/stocks/segments_geo.php?code=DIS

    http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Italy/United-States/Economy

    713:

    John W. Campbell ... racist

    I discovered Science Fiction around the age of 10 (1964 or so) when I found a copy of Analog in a supermarket. Always a big reader I suddenly discovered an amazing new way to waste hours of time. :)

    The first story I read was a 4 part serialized one. And even then I knew it was incredibly racist.

    714:

    As I recall, JTrudeau's Liberals* swept the last Canadian federal election on an inclusive, multicultural platform which suggests that waking up and rejecting toxic Islamo/Judeo/religion/ethnicity/gender, etc.-of-choice-phobia is possible.

    However JT is both more photogenic and charismatic than Harper and despite his 1% background also lived and projects just-a-regular-Canuck vibe. And this matters at least as much as the platform he campaigned on - people could or wanted to identify with him.

    • Canada has a parliamentary system based on the Brit system: the party that wins the most seats/ridings forms the gov't, and the leader of the winning party becomes Prime Minister.
    715:

    Just remember him that Erik von Shrakenberg wouldn't have voted Trump and Bannon is really a poor man's copy of Elvira Naldorssen...

    I know who these characters are (BTW, it is Eric, not Erik), and I think I know who Joat is, but what does that have to do with Charlie's ban?

    716:

    I'm finding this a handy daily digest of Trump related news. It has the advantages of:

    a. providing a timeline and b. letting me get everything over in one hit

    b is quite important as drip feeding bad news thoughout the day is getting too depressing.

    717:

    I forgot

    c. reminding me that this IS WTF time every time I visit the site. Must not accept this crap as acceptable or normal.

    718:

    Oyster farming is tricky, but mussels are a solved problem and highly successful in NZ. They are doing a bang up job in cleaning up farming runoff into the Hauraki Gulf for example, and happily producing tens of thousands of tons of product.

    However, some thoughts - one: water temperature - not sure how well they will do in a tropical environment.
    two: are shellfish halal or haram, so can the local people actually eat them?
    three: they are filter feeders, so will concentrate any toxins in the waters, particularly heavy metals and organic poisons. Granted the food in Bangladesh isn't always the healthiest, but the shellfish won't be great quality for some years.

    719:

    Nothing, sorry. Didn't meant to imply that.

    Just #632 mentioned Barabbas (popular referendums) & it segued really well into the back-story of where the banned person's Mind / links were coming from. Oh, and it had a bit of conspiracy to it since it's fairly certain that the S were attempting to avoid a popular rebellion - Big J ended up fulfilling all the criteria for a tripartite detente so history. i.e. S seen as still in control of the Jewish Religion / Government, Ps not rebelling but also still having their bad boy around to stir things up, Rome (somewhat) showing that Law and Order were to be respected etc but mainly avoiding the cost of rebellion (mostly financial, disruption of trade / legions were expensive).

    ~

    Greg - the important part of the Gospels is that they were almost certainly written post AD70. A lot of the P stuff is attempting to forestall disaster (thus Revelations). Which occurs ~ 60 years later, but there you go. At that time (certainly pre-AD100) 'Christians' were definitely still a Jewish subset (of sorts, not going to argue Theology) - and with the almost total eradication of the ruling caste (S's) they were certainly a counter-point to the more radical of the Ps.

    As for the third revolt, the interesting part is that none of the action happened outside of Judea - the Kitos Wars AD115-7 had already occurred. You'll notice that they end a good 15 years before Judea kicks off, so your comment about over-reach is incorrect on two fronts. Firstly, that Judea was linked to them directly (the Romans would have responded if they were) or that the direction was outward from Judea (apart from the spread of letters) - Lukuas flees into Judea and his rebels are eradicated, but the province isn't majorly harmed (well, apart from Lukuas's lot, but they were responsible for some fairly large massacres). The troop increases and general tone of the Romans certainly soured, however.

    The region continued to be a hot-bed of rebellion for much much longer: Samaritan revolts AD500-600 or Jewish revolt against Constantius Gallus AD351-2.

    The double irony here is that the leader of the Samaritan revolt (remember, not exactly popular at the time of the Gospels)... yep, you guessed it: also a Messianic figure - Julianus ben Sabar who massacres Christians as well as the ruling Byzantines and probably would have had a go at the Jews as well if there'd been many left.

    However, most of this has nothing to do with modern Israel or politics (well, unless you're attempting a retrospective narrative), it's just an interesting counter-point to the nonsense that certain parts of (largely) American Christianity ascribe to.

    If you want it wrapped in a bow, it's amusing that certain modern Christians ("prosperity" types and others) resemble more the Sadducees in tone (well, not totally but hopefully the point is there) than the two later sects - Pharisees and what ultimately became Christians.

    How you want to parse that one out is up to you, but I find it a bit ironic. Since, you know, they were the variety who actually killed the Big-J, not the Pharisees.

    Now, that's ironic.

    TL;DR

    It's a constant hot-bed of revolt for any/all religions / peoples involved. Of course, later on it's the Christians from Europe and the Arab Islamic Empires, but basically anyone in that area has had, been or done a lot of crap.

    It was more the dark irony that was fueling the splurge more than anything else.

    As ever on this topic, three disclaimers:

    1) Has very little to do with modern issues - the Sadducee's were eradicated and don't really form any impact on modern Judaism. It's very distasteful / insane to link them to modern forms, although, yes, of course it's been constant for 2k years or so.

    2) Big J - without being theological, his role was certainly more of a cessation of hostilities than the kick off to them, so that's a plus. Seeing him as a Jewish peacemaker is historically correct though.

    3) Almost every major religion in the region (inc. Samaritans) have had Messianic leaders which either lead to massacres or world-changing societal events. This seems to inevitably flow from the enslavement / introduction of Empire, sooo... there's a solution. Bringing that into a 21st Century world is pure insanity.

    Off to Mind-Wipe, reading the output of the Breitbart competitors is just blurrrrgh Mind-rotting.

    720:

    "Ten billion is perfectly managable for the long haul. Far more so than the sort of chaos a gigadeaths would imply."

    I think you're right, just feeding humans all the soy and corn now fed to cows pigs and chickens would double the carrying capacity of cropland, at least in the half of the world that gets an eighth of their calories from animal protein. I figure on a typical day I consume 2400 calories of which 300 is animal sourced, probably typical even of those vegetarians who eat egg and dairy products. Figures often quoted claim it takes 8 pounds of feed to make one pound of meat, so, given the choice of a post apocalyptic wasteland or switching to my delicious recipe for cornmeal and soy flour bread, it's a no-brainer. Probably healthier anyway, I heard that at one time Puerto Ricans were the preferred U.S. blood donors, since they had the highest blood protein content from high consumption of rice and beans.

    721:

    This could explain a lot: Potential side effects of the drug Trump reportedly takes for hair loss

    The constellation of potential symptoms, sometimes referred to as post-finasteride syndrome, may include sexual, physical and psychological changes. Of these, the sexual side effects are perhaps the most extensively reported. In fact, in 2012, the Food and Drug Administration announced a label change for Propecia and Proscar, requiring the manufacturer to warn that the medication may be associated with “libido disorders, ejaculation disorders, and orgasm disorders that continued after discontinuation of the drug.”

    722:

    Warned you about that in #604.

    Not a sensible topic, and that's coming from me of all people.

    723:

    It's a shame there isn't more about the psychological effects, and it's an example of him putting his vanity over other things.

    724:

    Looks like there is already a suit in progress over the golden shower (and other I guess) allegations. Will that alone kill vibrate-fodder? Or were you talking about Tom's mum?

    725:

    Modern arguments about Israel via Dominionists etc are always insane, since they never mention the Jewish revolt against Heraclius AD614 - 30 or the resulting counter-rebellion by the Christians as well as the usual Empire stuff (in this case, Byzantine).

    Basically, it involves the usual suspects:

    Messiahs, Prophecies, Jerusalem, Temple Mount, Religious renewal, Oppression, Massacres (by everyone) and so on. Added bonus points for one of the only recorded times Jews attempted to get Christians to renounce their faith and become Jews again. So, that happened... 1,400 years ago, although no doubt it's been resurrected by someone somewhere as a meme.

    It's also the basis for the modern authentic Judaic Messianic stuff that's still floating around, which is entirely another pot of crazy.

    Also proving that Revelations is nothing special, it also brings you the rather magnificent: Apocalypse of Zerubbabel.

    In this one it's the ruler of Rome / Christianity who brings about the End of Times, so aren't we all glad Benedict stepped down for the fluffy Polish guy. Also, someone's going to have to get Trump impeached, but also have the Pope become President of Italy (or the USA), which is somewhat of a long shot, even for 2017.

    And, if you think this isn't actually related, prepare to be disappointed:

    The Sefer Zerubbabel mentions Gog and Armilos rather than Gog and Magog as the enemies

    Bush, Gog and Magog Guardian, Aug 2009.

    So, bets on who this Armilos is then.

    ~

    p.s.

    We're not the mad ones.

    726:

    Oh, bugger: Armilus is "a king who will arise at the end of time against the Messiah, and will be conquered by him after having brought much distress upon Israel".

    Whelp, Trump fits the bill, so here we go.

    727:

    Greg - the important part of the Gospels is that they were almost certainly written post AD70... Yes, I know .... And quite possibly not until as late ad "AD" 95-110, according to some commentators, anyway (!)

    The bit I find interesting, that you touched on is that the really serious final revolt (Bar-Kochba) is hardly ever mentioned & certainly not by US "christian" idiots.

    @ 720 (JPR) & 721 (you) Can I fall about laughing, now?

    728:

    Read the side effects and look what it recommends about sperm.

    It's a topic that I'd suggest everyone step away from and remain somewhat polite about, the fallout could get genuinely nasty.

    729:

    I prefer to communicate in plain old English.

    I'll settle for plain English. UK, US, or India versions all OK. We get a lot of practice on the later when we call tech support.

    Side note. At one of my clients we been dealing with a major conversion from in house email (not exchange based) to hosted Office 365. MS makes it easy to call tech support. Click a few buttons on the web portal as an admin and they call you back. We've used it 20 or so times in the last few weeks. Most of the help is great. But we've gotten a few turkeys. (US idiom for not good.) We were discussing that we'd pay if we could bid for a star rating system. I'd definitely pay a surcharge for the guy who worked for an hour on the power shell scripting we had to to. But some of those guys need to be limited to questions on rules for passwords and such.

    And my point is that all of the turkeys have been with an Indian subcontinent dialect (as best I can tell). Note I did NOT say all of these were turkeys, just that those that were turkeys fit this grouping. And I'm sure part of it was just that my English and their English did not mesh for the the topic under discussion.

    730:

    the Trumpsters just exempt churches but nobody else from the politics ban

    Isn't that rather unconstitutional? "Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion" and all that.

    Again. This is an issue with the tax code. Treading close but likely to squeak through. Currently there are NO restrictions who can create or join a church. And not really any rules on what it means to join except you have to be somewhat able to articulate the rules if asked. Sort of. Maybe. Some churches have been denied. But they are things like "The church of gun rights in upper Montana" and similar. Or churches have had their 501c(4) rescinded when it became obvious (and likely someone complained) that they were a sham to hide money from being taxed. But it has to be obvious, not just looks suspicious.

    I'm the current president of a very small 501c(4). We have similar and different restrictions. But we are very different than a c(3). We are a club and can't restrict anyone who want to join unless they are detrimental to the point of the club.

    731:

    That clause in the constitution has, in the past, been used to deny "churches of religion" the hire of state fairgrounds.

    When challenged those only hold up if the restrictions are about other things. Like size of people, disruption of the area, etc... If have a public space "for rent" and a church fits the physical restrictions / constraints then they have to rent it to the church. And also the local Satanic worship society, biker meetup, and ladies (and gents) knitting club.

    Lots of public school systems in the US make money renting out facilities on weekends to smaller churches. The other big option is movie theaters on Sunday mornings. (And "public" schools in the US means something different from the UK as I understand it.)

    732:

    It's a topic that I'd suggest everyone step away from and remain somewhat polite about OK. That's a useful warning, tx.

    BTW the Big J movie script posts above (and later posts about details) were funny (except for the nasty details). (And felt true.)

    For anyone, who would be a plausible director? Amusing myself imagining versions by various directors but no good fits yet. (OK maybe Mel Brooks could do a comedy version, but he's probably too old.)

    733:

    because otherwise EU/Greece just provides a lesson in what lies ahead in the US/UK if their markets become closed systems. I see both the UK and US becoming more closed vs. open markets because of the rhetoric and with the US esp. the fear, loathing and mistrust of the new admin ...

    The US industry needs a LOT of things that the UK doesn't provide. From rare earth metals to cell phones. And if Trump forces Apple AND others to make cells phones in the US, well hold on, they will get much more expensive and thus harm the image of Trump. Which is all that Trump cares about.

    Plus no one can seem to figure out where to build a factory that would employ 50,000 people with quality build skills on very small items. Robots are no, people will still be needed in the short term. Lots of them.

    734:

    It's a topic that I'd suggest everyone step away from and remain somewhat polite about, the fallout could get genuinely nasty.

    Agreed. I'd never say anything about the kid, or even his mother. But the father... I'm simply wondering about the psychological impacts. We've had alcoholic presidents, and at least one with Alzheimer's, what about one under the influence of drugs with unknown side-effects?

    735:

    I note that Bewitched ran on Saturday morning TV in the UK in the 1970s. I remember it. However, my impression is that our resident performance artist is somewhat younger than I am.

    It's a meme that's been in use since the show ran here in the US. When you hear people talking about things that most rational people would consider to be impossible (we only have 1000 items on the open item list so we should be able to finish that software in 2 weeks) a way to make a comment subtlety (or not) without speaking up is move the tip of your nose side to side with your finger.

    It is used by people who have never seen the show, much less were alive when it was originally on.

    736:

    Since this bizarrely seems to be a thing:

    nose wiggle

    Complex, but basically it's throwing love to the reader / person being spoken to while high-lighting there's some cheating / meta3 / RL stuff involved or just to lighten up (complex translation issues here).

    It's not a nose tap (above) or the other nose tap (secret knowledge, like a wink wink), or an eyebrow raise or smirk. It can be deployed in many fashions:

    Bewitched Nose Wiggle Tutorial YT, tutorial, 0:50 seconds.

    Better Demonstration YT, tutorial, 0:10

    Of course, they're both wrong, you need to move your face muscles as well:

    Original YT: Original TV 0:5

    And yes, the wonders of modern life.

    ~

    James, I'll be blunt, and you can believe or not: but if you go down that path (sigh, I see the media already has), there's a vast weapon's cache available that basically almost guarantees a civil war. Since the US media is already asking questions over his wife / child housing costs and special needs school, what happens IF someone "leaks" documents stating that essentially the developmental needs of his child were an unfortunate side effect of said drug, but like any decent Politician / Member of Society he is willing to be ridiculed instead of put his family through it?

    Hint: sympathy spike etc, which will split the Dem / Rep divide even deeper with those choosing to believe it and those who see it as a cynical ploy.

    You peeps are terrible at this whole thing.

    Disclosure: IF and MAYBE and only mentioned because the US Press has already gone there and the known effects on pregnant women are available in the literature.

    737:

    I'm not sure I agree with you. "The drugs have driven him mad" might also play fairly well, followed by "more in sorrow than in anger," which is a game his own party can also play without seeming vindictive...

    The Administrator seems to tweet late at night, so I'm wondering what time he takes his medication?

    738:

    Reverse your thinking, that's not how these things work.

    A/B testing is a terrible thing in the wrong hands, esp. in conjuncture with algos, behavioralism and Bernays. If a mainstream press article is running the drug thing, someone has already run the patterns (if they haven't, well: welcome to True Chaos)

    It's not about Thought, it's about Reaction (emotional).

    It's not about Reality, it's about Creation (imagination lock in).

    It's not about Past, it's about Future (TIME, you're not good at it).

    ~

    shrug

    Wondering if anyone spots what Prosperity Gospel = Sadducee's means yet.

    Only, there's no Empire bigger these days, so...

    Cover of Der Spiegel Check your references:

    Salome with the Head of John the Baptist Caravaggio

    or

    Perseus with the Head of Medusa Cellini

    Cover of the Economist

    Rage, Flower Thrower Bansky

    or

    Greek Anarchist throwing molotov Reality.

    ~

    And yes: we're starting to meta-shape links again. It's been a little boring being told we're not allowed to do it.

    739:

    Correct link: Perseus with the Head of Medusa

    ~

    This is all just foreplay.

    Minerva, with all due respect, you sound like someone who spends way too much time online, filling your head with toxic memes. I sometimes think the internet is making humanity insane in this way, and there's some kind of Cthulhoid intelligence behind it, laughing maniacally. I'm sure It loves people like you.

    Sigh, a little sad he couldn't keep his hubris in check.

    No, she's screaming in terror and insanity and raving at your psychopathy.

    Their Kind doesn't really do what the rest of you consider "acceptable", so it's a little rough.

    I am the one who knocks YT, TV, Breaking Bad, 1:52.

    And no, it doesn't end well. The human species has a remarkable ability to pardon themselves for any culpability or blame for psychosis, however.

    "Not my problem".

    Well, apparently it is now.

    740:

    "who would be a plausible director? "

    David Lynch has mastered the imagery of the subconsious, giving his films an easily recognizable but indescribable weirdness like dreams or nightmares. Much of religion seems to be couched in the same type of language, which is probably a built-in feature of the brain as part of the normal process of distributing information between the left and right hemispheres, or between the sleep and waking state. Anyway, Lynch makes his subject matter funny and discomforting at the same time, a good match for the topic at hand.

    741:

    Ahh, there it is. Predictable, they're going for the full mirror smash:

    O’Reilly: “Putin’s a killer”

    Trump: “There are a lot of killers. We’ve got a lot of killers. What do you think—our country’s so innocent?”

    Fox Interview, to be aired just before the Super-Bowl Foxnews, Twitter, 4th Feb 2017

    Sigh.

    The only ones hurt by this are those who don't already understand power or their reality and are living in the Mirror World. Absolutely no-one in any serious profession will see this but anything but a (cynical but required) admission of the New Order.

    The Land of the Big Dick Tricks.

    And, casting the bones: chances of working are waaay up there in the 70%+ zone. He's gonna get +10 points from this if he doesn't screw up the rest.

    Next play: Shatter it hard.

    Next play: Promise you'll rebuild it.

    Next play: The ones who entertained the illusion are the real traitors.

    And so on.

    ~

    Nowhere to RunYT: Music, Martha Reeves and the Vandellas, 3:00

    Can I haz my Wingz back naow? How's about not treating us like fucking cattle, eh?

    We promised.

    You doubted.

    But we will fucking shatter your world over this one.

    742:

    JFK springs to mind. From the article:

    ...newly disclosed medical files covering the last eight years of Kennedy's life, including X-rays and prescription records, show that he took painkillers, antianxiety agents, stimulants and sleeping pills, as well as hormones to keep him alive, with extra doses in times of stress.

    The author states that Kennedy was 'lucid and in firm command' during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Which is probably good. However, JFK variously took codeine, Demerol and methadone for pain; Ritalin, a stimulant; meprobamate and librium for anxiety; barbiturates for sleep; thyroid hormone; and injections of a blood derivative, gamma globulin, presumably to combat infections.

    Did this really have no effect on his affect? I'm neither a pharmacist nor a physician, so I couldn't say.

    743:

    Put it this way: He was fucking everything that moved while on those.

    While drinking and smoking heavily?

    Constitution of a horse, unreal levels of tolerance and probably a couple more things not on the charts. [In fact, I can already spot two not on the list].

    ~

    Shrug

    The answer to the meta-question is: No, of course it doesn't fucking matter. Never has, never will: if the President required regular blood transfusions of young blood to keep them upright and stop their major organs closing down, they get them[1].

    And so on.

    [1] That's not a hypothetical. Soviet science in that area has been 20+ years beyond the silly Hacker News Billionaires for a good 40 years now. More than one high up Soviet used total transfusions and so on. Sigh. Is this news now?

    744:

    SFreader, if you're still reading this thread and on the lookout for books:

    Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible, by Peter Pomerantsev is about the workings of Putin's Russia, and fascinating. Some of the weirdness is uniquely Russian, but much of it has relevance for any pseudo-democratic populist dictatorship.

    And I really must get around to reading Amusing ourselves to death, by Neil Postman. I can't remember now whether I saw this link recently on Charlie's twitter or elsewhere:

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/feb/02/amusing-ourselves-to-death-neil-postman-trump-orwell-huxley

    745:

    Trumpolini apart, I'm surprised no-one has picked up on this utter vileness OK, it will probably never become law, as even a "conservative" Supreme Court will rule agin it, because it's effectively contrary to the anti-slavery amendment ( 13th? ).

    But how the fuck did this even make it to legislature, never mind pass. [ Also similar try-ons were immediately nuked in Alabama & (?)Louisiana(?) ]

    WTF?

    746:

    David Lynch has mastered the imagery of the subconscious, giving his films an easily recognizable but indescribable weirdness like dreams or nightmares.

    If it's imagery from the subconscious we want, the Surrealists would seem a good place to start. From André Breton's First Surrealist Manifesto:

    The imagination is perhaps on the point of reasserting itself, of reclaiming its rights. If the depths of our mind contain within it strange forces capable of augmenting those on the surface, or of waging a victorious battle against them, there is every reason to seize them -- first to seize them, then, if need be, to submit them to the control of our reason. The analysts themselves have everything to gain by it. But it is worth noting that no means has been designated a priori for carrying out this undertaking, that until further notice it can be construed to be the province of poets as well as scholars, and that its success is not dependent upon the more or less capricious paths that will be followed.

    Personally, I'm tempted by Max Ernst. I feel something heavy and Trump-like about his Celebes. I wondered about Yves Tanguy, but his stuff is too light and airy.

    Or one could go for German abstract expressionism, maybe?

    From a completely different region of the art world, ex-Beano artist Ken Reid had a wonderful way of drawing the folds and creases and wrinkles and lumps in faces. His lines get right inside your subconscious. As "Paul" says in that link to Peter Gray's "Ken Reid", "Seeing Ken Reid's comic work again after thirty years is like discovering a secret room in my subconscious which I never suspected was there". Have a look at "The Nervs" and others in Lew Stringer's "Ken Reid, Genius". Some faces are better suited to this than others...

    Alternatively, we go for absurdity in event rather than absurdity in object, as in Péter Bacsó's The Witness. Theme-park of Communist Horror, anybody?

    747:

    "He was harassed, but still he spoke with authority. He was, in fact, characteristic of the best type of dominant male in the world at this time. He was fifty-five years old, tough, shrewd, unburdened by the complicated ethical ambiguities which puzzle intellectuals, and had long ago decided that the world was a mean son-of-a-bitch in which only the most cunning and ruthless can survive. He was also as kind as was possible for one holding that ultra-Darwinian philosophy; and he genuinely loved children and dogs, unless they were on the site of something that had to be bombed in the National Interest. He still retained some sense of humor, despite the burdens of his almost godly office, and, although he had been impotent with his wife for nearly ten years now, he generally achieved orgasm in the mouth of a skilled prostitute within 1.5 minutes. He took amphetamine pep pills to keep going on his grueling twenty-hour day, with the result that his vision of the world was somewhat skewed in a paranoid direction, and he took tranquilizers to keep from worrying too much, with the result that his detachment sometimes bordered on the schizophrenic; but most of the time his innate shrewdness gave him a fingernail grip on reality. In short, he was much like the rulers of America and Russia."

    748:

    Heh. The words of the saint do stick in the mind, don't they. I spent too long last week trying to find those passages from The Eye in the Pyramid. What struck me is that RAW thought his fictional presidents of the 3 great superpowers were 55, and yet all the major players in the recent US election were 70-ish and over. Being POTUS seems to visibly age the incumbents as it's a tough and gruelling job once you get there. But the year of campaigning before that is even more ridiculous. I can't imagine how any of them got through it at their age without the help of plenty of uppers, downers and happy pills. Even Putin and Xinpin at 64 and 63 are somewhat older than 55 so perhaps BushJr and Obama were edge cases and the Great Leaders are getting older.

    And is Millenial blood psycho-active or is it just the use of it that warps the mind?

    749:

    "However JT is both more photogenic and charismatic than Harper and despite his 1% background"

    For non-Canadians this suggests a financial status that Trudeau doesn't have. JT's net worth is estimated by Forbes at slightly north of 1.2 million. The median net worth of Congress in 2013 was just over a million.

    Trudeau has always been very comfortable with a trust fund that allowed him options ordinary Canadians don't have but he is richer in social and cultural captial than he is in dollars and cents.

    750:

    I think you will be looking for a while if you try to find those in the eye in the pyramid - I'm pretty sure they came from Schrodingers Cat :)

    751:

    Illuminatus Trilogy as it happens :)

    752:

    Are you sure? Could have sworn it came from the other trilogy.

    Clearly I'm getting too old and my memory is fubar.

    753:

    Here is an article about the fact that Republicans are 24 state legislative seats short of being able to amend the Constitution without Democratic input http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/02/02/1628707/-Protecting-Our-Rights-by-Defending-the-ConstitutionState-Legislative-Races-are-Critical

    It seems that Trump is finding fans in the Southern Cone of Latin America https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/03/argentina-sees-migration-ban-and-border-wall-proposals-in-immigration-row

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-chile-immigration-idUSKBN1591CF

    754:

    The age distribution of US presidents is weird — within the past decade a British party leader was hounded out/forced to retire as "too old" to be Prime Minister at the next election, because he'd have been pushing 60. (Not that there was much chance of a Liberal Democrat being elected PM, but back in the Blair era any party leader older than 50 looked positively ancient.)

    755:

    I haven't done the analysis, but perhaps the median age of US presidents correlates with the median age of the generation that's the largest share of US voters at the time?

    Reagan was the second-to-last President of the WWII generation, and Trump might be the second-to-last Baby Boomer President.

    756:

    Definitely from the Illuminatus trilogy and not from the other one. I may have to reread them, because with the election of Trump I think they've become relevant again. (Someone sure as hell needs to throw a golden apple at those guy!)

    "Hail Eris!"

    757:

    It is certain that the fnords have been deployed in record numbers recently.

    758:

    "The Witness" looked like a fun evening's entertainment but neither the local library system or Netflix had it. For graphic art technical virtuosity I think it would be hard to top R. Crumb, although Reid's selections in your link would probably sell even today, will have to check Itunes Comix listings for it. Crumb's gone quiet in recent years but I remember a 2005 autobiography he and his wife Aileen collaborated on, sometimes both drawing themselves into the same panel. A quick check of the library where I originally found it, now lists only his 2009 illustrated version of the Book of Genesis, must be trying to atone for his raunchier material from decades past. Totally unnecessary in my view.

    759:

    I keep an eye out for them. You might say I have a "Fnord Focus."

    760:

    Re: RC Popes

    You've got the popes out of synch: John Paul II (D 2005 - B. Poland), Benedict XVI (Ret'd: 2013), and the current pope Francis - the first Jesuit to be elected Pope - is from Argentina.

    Wikipedia:

    'The Pope stated that the reason for his decision was his declining health due to old age.[8] The conclave to select his successor began on 12 March 2013[9] and elected Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Argentina, who took the name of Francis.'

    A Jesuit Pope is a big deal - both for what it takes to get into the order as well as the amount of influence members of this order have had re: social change in the 20th century up to the point of risking excommunication because they were getting too involved esp. in Central/Latin Americas.

    Note: I'm an atheist of RC background ... that's with the whole nuns and priests as teachers, etc. right through elementary. Secondary was a transition to all-lay Catholic teachers. Followed by even more transition in undergrad where profs included priests and a lapsed priest who went through official channels to get out of priesthood to marry - all Jesuits who taught Phil, Theol, CommArts, EngLit, Bio/neuro. Then there were some rabbis (Psych) plus the token lay Scots Presbyterian (Chem), Egyptian (Muslim - Bio) and Hindu (Phys) and Euro and NAm Jewish scientists (Bio/Chem, Psych), a Chinese math prof, one female WASP/LBGT (Genetics), one openly gay male EngLit prof, etc. All-in-all, an interesting environment during one's intellectually and culturally formative years. That said, feel that most people who've gone to tertiary have probably been similarly exposed to wider- world views, which begs the question: what were they paying attention to?

    761:

    The better joke might have been "There's a fnord in your future!"

    762:

    Hmmm thought that his father's art deco house was worth more than that. That said, recall that JT was not an only child re: inheritance.

    BTW, like your phrasing ... 'richer in social, cultural capital.'

    763:

    "You can't be sirius!"

    764:

    I'm definitely not sirius. Are you sirius?

    765:

    although Reid's selections in your link would probably sell even today, will have to check Itunes Comix listings for it.

    Reid was a children's illustrator, and apart from some books about Fudge the elf, his work is only found in the comics he drew for. So you'd need to look for, for example, Beano weeklies and annuals. According to "Savoy People: Ken Reid Interviewed by David Britton", his strips include:

    Jasper the Grasper (Wham); The Nerves (Smash and Pow); The Sub (Scorcher); Football Forum (Scorcher); Banger and Masher (Scorcher); Manager Matt (Scorcher); Hugh Fowler (Scorcher); The Soccernauts (Scorcher and Score); Harry Hammertoe (?); Jimmy Jinks (Scorcher); Triptoe Triers (?); Dare-a-Day Davy (Wham); Wanted (competition in Whoopee); Creepy Creations (competition in Whoopee); World Wide Weirdies (competition in Whoopee); Prize Picture (competition in Whoopee); Martha's Monster Make-up (Whoopee); Super Sam (Comic Cuts Amalgamated Press); Foxy (Comic Cuts Amalgamated Press); Roger the Dodger (Beano); Grandpa (Beano); Bing-Bang Benny (Dandy); Angel Face (Dandy); Jonah (Beano); Big Head and Thick Head (Dandy); Ali Ha-Ha and the Forty Thieves (Dandy); Jinx (Beano); others listed in the link.

    I'm not very keen on Crumb, though I appreciate his technical skill. There's too much texture for me. I think my visual system gets tired trying to extract the necessary information. It's a visual analogue to prose like this (from "Most Common Writing Mistakes: Is Your Prose Too Complex?" by K.M.Weiland):

    As Clancy watched the sunset swirl into the night, he stood on the edge of dock, and he breathed, deeply, desperately, drunkenly of the coming darkness, wondering if this crepuscular vision was a sign of his coming doom, his very own shroud of death falling to his shoulders.

    766:

    Thanks! ... will add to my reading list ... found these quotes about suggested titles:

    Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible, by Peter Pomerantsev (Putin's Russia ... pseudo-democratic populist dictatorship)

    Presumed self-description of author - the guy guiding Putin's PR program:

    “His self was locked in a nutshell ... outside were his shadows, dolls. He saw himself as almost autistic, imitating contact with the outside world, talking to others in false voices to fish out whatever he needed from the Moscow squall: books, sex, money, food, power, and other useful things.”

    Amusing ourselves to death, by Neil Postman.

    Wikipedia:

    'Drawing on the ideas of media scholar Marshall McLuhan — altering McLuhan's aphorism "the medium is the message", to "the medium is the metaphor" — he describes how oral, literate, and televisual cultures radically differ in the processing and prioritization of information; he argues that each medium is appropriate for a different kind of knowledge. The faculties requisite for rational inquiry are simply weakened by televised viewing. Accordingly, reading, a prime example cited by Postman, exacts intense intellectual involvement, at once interactive and dialectical; whereas television only requires passive involvement. Moreover, as television is programmed according to ratings, its content is determined by commercial feasibility, not critical acumen. Television in its present state, he says, does not satisfy the conditions for honest intellectual involvement and rational argument.'

    Interesting ... this book came out in 1985. Twitter is even less content-rich than TV which implies an even worse/more diminished ability for public engagement with substantive issues. (That's got to be worth doing a psych study or two.)

    767:

    It occurred to me that the same pun might be available in German with the word "ernst" and a little gymnastics (a play on kennen versus koennen perhaps). But then I realised the same German word isn't just a pun in English too, but there's a whole Oscar Wilde play about it.

    768:

    Quite correct, that was a joke gone slightly wrong.

    Notes:

    a) Current Pope is (or is smart enough PR wise, although in-house clashes show he might be removing bad hombres) fluffier than the last one.

    b) It was a kinda joke regarding this little pellet of joy:

    Buried down in the AP story is the rather startling news that National Security Advisor Mike Flynn and his aides have been asking the national security agencies for ideas for how to improve relations with Russia and for evidence of "Polish incursions in Belarus."

    Deeply Disturbing TPM, 4th Feb 2017

    ~

    Greg

    726, 744.

    744: Very very aware, the big six media corps are drastically over-weighting Trump via the quiet slash/burn of localized GOP. e.g. Michigan GOP leader deletes posts calling for ‘Kent State’ solution to college protests Rawstory, 3rd Feb, 2017 - and yes, my snappy attack on Hetero was more a reflection of knowing that there are those who don't share his non-violent ethos and/or have totally reframed a lot of the Milo drama into a "LOL, PURGE THE ANARCHISTS" rhetoric. Not even joking.

    726 - They focus on the 2nd Temple / AD70 for a lot of reasons. Sadducee's etc (take a guess at the why - ruling theocratic autocratic framework much much more enjoyable to them than common-man rebels for the people of the later revolts), but also because their prophesies don't align with the reality of the actual Judaic ones. (Thus comments about Gog etc in 724).

    Or, it's basically the Mormon question all over again: many don't know / care to know the actual Jewish history, just the highlights from the Gospels. i.e. they're hypocrites of the worst type.

    This is a fairly major point, and is very knowingly constantly pushed by various agencies for Power / Political reasons (such as Murdoch etc) e.g. Archaeologists get set to dig at Masada, after 11-year hiatus Times of Israel, 5th Feb, 2017

    It's the Israeli version of Icelandic Elves, just not as fun or innocent - but the reason (tourist $$, small country having a much larger global weight than expected) is essentially the same.

    ~

    I've been attempting to keep it focused recently, getting a lot of push-back / screaming. Apologies to Host once again, we do try to keep putting some crappy jokes in. Grats on (almost) completion etc.

    769:

    Notes from the wild to aid larger understanding of certain comments:

    Burma: Rohingya Muslim babies and children 'being slaughtered with knives', UN warns Independent 3rd Feb, 2017 - don't worry, it has been ongoing since Nov 2016 so no rush.

    Trump went on a Twitter RAAAAMPAGE then dropped out (note: ever done a Time Stamp of my splurges and his Twitter rampages? Oooh, naughty), because he was at the Red Cross Ball. The Red Cross (USA version) has long been known to be a bit of a scam. e.g. How the Red Cross Raised Half a Billion Dollars for Haiti ­and Built Six Homes Pro Publica, June 2015

    What's interesting is a lot of the Gremlins are fulled pizza'd up over Clinton links to said scandals. You'll probably see a reaction when they realize that Trump is using the same 'charity' networks as they did; hard to tell which way it'll go with the proper Gremlins, but keeping the Mogwai out of it is tiresome.

    And yes: the theme was Louis XIV, because of course why the fuck not, let's burn it all down in style:

    Entertainers and servers at Mar-a-Lago were dressed to fit the night’s theme of “Vienna to Versailles,” with women donning towering wigs and shimmering ball gowns.

    Inside look as President Trump attends Red Cross Ball Palm Beach Post, Feb 4th 2017

    Note, if you think they're not rubbing it in, I suggest looking up where the title comes from:

    Among the legends that mislead the student of nineteenth century history are, for example, the idea that there was such a thing as a 'congress system'; that middle class discontent caused the 1848 revolutions; that Napoleon III 'overthrew' the Second Republic; that the Crimean War was caused by the decline of the Turkish Empire; that Bismarck unified Germany and that Cavour wanted to unify Italy; that Bismarck secured Russian neutrality by his Polish policy in 1863, that he deceived Napoleon III at Biarritz, and that he regained Russian friendship by the Reinsurance Treaty; that the Anglo- Japanese Alliance of 1902 ended Britain's splendid isolation; that a condition of international anarchy existed in the decade before 1914; and that the 1919 settlement weakened central and eastern Europe by 'balkanizing' it.

    From Vienna to Versailles L C B Seaman, 1963

    Note: this is one of those spreen type deals.

    The Concert of Europe, also known as the Congress System or the Vienna System after the Congress of Vienna, was a System of dispute resolution adopted by the major conservative powers of Europe to maintain their power, oppose revolutionary movements, weaken the forces of nationalism, and uphold the balance of power. It is suggested that it operated in Europe from the end of the Napoleonic Wars (1815) to the early 1820s while some locate its demise with the outbreak of the Crimean War, 1853-1856.[1]

    Concert of Europe

    Take what you want from that, but breaking up the EU seems to be signaled quite heavily.

    770:

    Hint.

    Someone's trying to play subtle, but they're not that greatly bigly hugely good at it.

    ~

    Oh, and SNL - an actor mocking the president tweeting about her when that relationship was almost certainly 100% engineered by the moguls to push the Twilight mush? (she's kinda a lesbian).

    Totally safe, Trump knows he was just playing the role and you do too.

    ~

    Fix is in, that ball proves it.

    Don't expect impeachment, expect Elite entrenchment asap.

    771:

    The difference between Conspiracy Theorist and us is, well: we know how it's done and how spreen is deployed and so on.

    It also means Danton is locked in, so... ooops.

    nose wiggle

    I Know Kung FuYT, Film The Matrix, 1:18

    772:

    And, last one - YT, but watch it, please:

    Sean Spicer Press Conference YT, SNL, 8:06, Feb 5th 2017

    Single-handedly saved American comedy.

    773:

    "Spreen"? Anyone? Is this a portmanteau?

    ddg just points me to Honda dealers...

    774:

    Per the urban dictionary, "spreen" means a badass. Not sure if that's how Wodan means it.

    775:

    Well, if I wasn't already there, I am about ready to say this is a simulation. (Or that authoritarian regimes can dictate sports results, take your pick.)

    776:

    The good & surprising thing is that you managed to escape (!) My own ( CoE strong-evangelical was easier ) I started to realise something had gorn 'orribly worng about age 14 ) background made escape easier, but even so, it was a long path

    777:

    Thanks & interesting. However, I suspect that L C B Seaman is talking bollocks...

    Yeah, breaking up the EU, because individual states can be dealt with, one-at-a-time, separately & defeated ( Divide et Imperia ) See also Boney's military strategy both before Austerlitz & in the Jena-Auerstadt campaign. The "Polish" aggression" trick worked at Gleiwitz, didn't it? In the short term, anyway.

    778:

    I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but reading that (not the links, just your text) gave me the idea that the USNA might be viewed as a worked example of the results of allowing nations which don't meet the "economics convergence" to join the EUROZone (see under Greece above for example).

    779:

    Which is my problem with the reporting of "renewables capacity"; it only starts to reduce CO2 production when it reduces the spinning reserve as well as the base load.

    780:

    I said that the argument had been used; I did not say that it was correct IMO.

    781:

    a quote from a Trump voter (who later wrote that Dems are Communist...) on Brin's blog:

    "I owe no allegiance to either the left or the right: Both are pigs in suits; I am a beast of burden to both factions; they ride on my back; they rake my flanks with their spurs; they steer me to the knacker; and they can kill each other for all I care.

    I am Boxer's Rebellion: The US & EU version."

    I wonder how such feeling of helplessness is fueled, and whipped up to a frenzy by the alt-right.

    782:

    Because it isn't genuine helplessness at all - it's self-indulgent word salad. The groups frenzy is just a kind of mutual masturbation. It's that Dylan Moran thing about how the moonlight bouncing off their heads and their arses and everything must get a bit confusing.

    784:

    Ah. For those who may have been following the sub-thread about Hitler and laughter, I think I know the book I saw this idea in. It's Ron Rosenbaum's Explaining Hitler. I read it in the 90s, but I see that a new edition came out in 2014. The book is more a survey of biographers, historians, psychologists and other analysts who try to 'explain' Hitler.

    785:

    The Eurozone has no mechanism compensating for the weaker economies' loss of the ability to devalue; the USA has explicit fiscal transfers (Mississippi, for example, has received ~200% of what they've raised as federal taxes over the last 20 years). There are structural funds etc, but they're not designed to do this job.

    786:

    And, the states like Mississippi are strongly pro-Trump, who wants to cut their subsidies ....

    787:

    Meant to type Speen, a tense of spiwan. To spit, vomit, as in "I spit on the poor".

    Do a GREP, it's a conspiracy type concoction to explain something else. i.e. A group-within-a-group-conspiracy to keep power / influence things while (allegedly) delivering insult to the out-group members.

    Any serious Anglo-Saxon scholars will either enjoy the frippery or be gnashing at the misuse, but it wasn't outlined as anything serious. But spreen = to spread, extend, so there's still meaning there.

    ~

    776 Seaman (despite the obvious willy joke[1]) is another one of those 'Hmmmmm' ones. Downing (Cambridge) graduate, a lot of output, doesn't have a wikipedia page or much network linkage (although, his papers are available and was published in History Today). So, a toss up between either a jobbing amateur before the days of TV shows or it's another one of those behind-the-Malthus notables who get quietly erased but their influence still known by those in-the-know. You'd have to ask a historian - but given the rather reactionary nature of the synopsis, there might be cloak and dagger afoot.

    For Trump's lot to reference him / his work, and the date of the publication (early 60's, fits the time when the older group fixed political ideals), it rather suggests buggery.

    Or it could just be a coincidence, like that amazing Super-Bowl luck!

    [1] Everything is a willy joke. You're obsessed.

    788:

    Hadn't thought of it that way, but agree ... start with different conditions and resources, apply one standard policy across the board, and see what thrives and what dies. The harder (faster and more rigorously) you apply that standard, the faster that society arrives at its final end point, success or death. The current standard policy seems to be: whoever is at the end of the manufacturing/development chain gets richest. Which seems to be aided by the current business fad of hard-asset-divestification* vs. (previous fad of) top-down asset and production integration.

    *My term - not an official 'word' - but meaning is clear: do not lock up your capital in anything that can be physically seized/taken away from you, or sized-up to cross-check against your P&L. Instead, have your capital float through the monetary electron fog getting a free ride on whatever is currently moving.

    789:

    There's a racial element here as well.

    States which have large minority populations and receive subsidies support Trump. That is because there's the belief that the subsidies mainly go to minorities.

    790:

    First, about Bannon: "Stephen Bannon’s worldview is deeply troubling" http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/stephen-bannons-worldview-is-deeply-troubling/

    Yes, he really is a white supremecist and fascist.

    mark

    791:

    Spent yesterday, Sunday, at home (had a party Sat eve). By evening, I was in a FUCKING SHITFIT, as in, "IS THIS IT? ARE WE REALLY ABOUT TO HAVE A COUP BY TRUMP?!?!?!"

    Got a little calmed down.

    Well, seeing the references to Eliz. Montgomery, let me give y'all a scene to enjoy: in my mid-teens (mid-sixties), I was going to the Beach movies, with Annette and Frankie, because, basically, they actually were amusing (and I thought that way then). In one, it starts in the South Seas, and a very elderly "witch doctor", played by a very elderly, yes, really, Buster Keaton, has his granddaughter send him to California, to deal with a relative who needs reigning in. We see granddaughter from the back... and then the front, as Liz M nose twitches her grandfather to CA. It was just that much of a cameo....

    Btw, Cantina/Wodan/Minvera, thanks for the historical bit about the third war.

    mark

    792:

    Not so sure that visible minority is the most pertinent variable in gov't funding, fed-to-state financial transfers:

    The NYT expended some effort trying to discover how much money and to/within what state and industry gov't transfers involved. They came up with this interactive guide:

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/12/01/us/government-incentives.html

    For posters who don't want to click links, here's a sample:

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/12/01/us/government-incentives.html#TX

    Texas - Texas spends at least $19.1 billion per year on incentive programs, according to the most recent data available. That is roughly:

    $759 per capita 51¢ per dollar of state budget Top Incentives by type $14.9 billion in Sales tax refund, exemptions or other sales tax discounts $3.27 billion in Property tax abatement $743 million in Corporate income tax credit, rebate or reduction Top Incentives by industry $11.7 billion in Manufacturing $2.79 billion in Agriculture $77.3 million in Health care Grants to Companies (2,649) State Programs (27)

    Amount Company No. of grants Types Town, city or county Years

    $277 million -- Amazon, Local property tax abatement, Local sales tax sharing agreement, Private deal with Texas State Comptroller, Freeport Exemptions, 4 Property tax abatement, Sales tax refund, exemptions or other sales tax discounts schertz, irving 2005-2012

    $232 million -- Samsung, Texas Enterprise Fund, Tax Refund for Economic Development, Chapter 313/Economic Development Act, 13 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, Property tax abatement, Sales tax refund, exemptions or other sales tax discounts austin 1998-2010

    $175 million -- Anadarko Petroleum, Tax Refund for Economic Development, 11 Corporate income tax credit, rebate or reduction, Property tax abatement the woodlands, 2002-2012

    $50 million -- Texas Instruments, Texas Enterprise Fund, 1 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, richardson, 2003

    $50 million -- Texas Institute for Genomic Medicine, Texas Enterprise Fund, 1 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, houston & college station, 2005

    $40 million -- Sematech, Texas Enterprise Fund, 1 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, austin 2004

    $35 million -- Triumph Aerostructures, Texas Enterprise Fund, 1 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, dallas 2004

    $29.6 million -- Apple, 1 Corporate income tax credit, rebate or reduction, austin 2012

    $24 million -- Rackspace, Texas Enterprise Fund, Skills Development Fund, 2 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, Free services windcrest/san antonio 2007-2010

    $22 million -- General Motors, Tax Refund for Economic Development, 20 Corporate income tax credit, rebate or reduction, Property tax abatement, arlington 1997-2011

    $20 million -- Bank of America, Texas Enterprise Fund, 1 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, richardson 2004

    $15 million -- JP Morgan Chase, Texas Enterprise Fund, Tax Refund for Economic Development, 20 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, Property tax abatement, san antonio 2000-2006

    $13.8 million -- Bell Helicoptor Textron Inc, Skills Development Fund, Tax Refund for Economic Development, 18 Corporate income tax credit, rebate or reduction, Free services, Property tax abatement, fort worth, 2000-2011

    $11.6 million -- Klein Tools, Texas Enterprise Fund, 2 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, mansfield, 2010

    $10.8 million -- Caterpillar, Texas Enterprise Fund, Skills Development Fund, Chapter 313/Economic Development Act, Enterprise Zones, 7 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, Free services, Property tax abatement, Enterprise zone seguin, victoria, 2008-2010

    $9.5 million -- GTM Development, 1 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, denton, 2011

    $8.5 million -- Home Depot, Texas Enterprise Fund, Tax Refund for Economic Development, Chapter 313/Economic Development Act, 8 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, Property tax abatement, austin & new braunfels, 1999-2005

    $8.5 million -- Fidelity Investment Services Inc., Texas Enterprise Fund, 1 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, westlake, 2007

    $7.63 million -- Toyota Motor Corp, Skills Development Fund, Chapter 313/Economic Development Act, 2 Free services, Property tax abatement bexar county, 2005-2010

    $7.57 million -- MedHab, 2 Cash grant, loan or loan guarantee, abilene, san angelo, 2012

    793:

    I didn't say this was tied to reality. Nevertheless, most residents of those states believe it.

    794:

    Second, Texas gets back $1.09 for every $1 it pays. It's a net recipient, but not by much

    https://mises.org/blog/which-states-rely-most-federal-spending

    Apologies for the source, I don't have the time to look for another one.

    795:

    Proof that no-one reads the links.

    In the narrative Zerubbabel is led to a "house of disgrace" (a church), a kind of antitemple.[1] There he sees a beautiful statue of a woman (the Virgin Mary).[1] With Satan as the father, the statue gives birth to the Antichrist Armilus.[1] Forces associated with Armilus and the antitemple come to rule over the entire world.[1] But in the end these forces are defeated.[1] The work concludes with Zerubbabel's vision of the descent of the Heavenly Temple to earth.[1] Thus the "form of the eternal house" is revealed; unlike the Second Temple it is made in heaven.[1]

    Yes, "Satan"[1] fucks a Statue of the Virgin Mary and the Temple is renewed via a Heavenly Air-Drop.

    You need a heavy dose of mushrooms and quite the extended M3-METAPHOR grenade to make sense of it.

    And, no. This is reality (apparently):

    Martha Himmelfarb became a member of the faculty in 1978. Her teaching and research focus on ancient Judaism from the Second Temple period to the rise of Islam. Her book Jewish Messiahs in a Christian Empire: A History of the Book of Zerubbabel will appear in spring 2017 (Harvard University Press). She serves as director of the Program in Judaic Studies.

    Martha Himmelfarb Department of Religion, Princeton.

    So, yeah.

    She's hitting the Zerubbabel hard still. Nice smile, would sit down and take mushrooms with her.

    [1] This isn't even really a Jewish concept, so wut?! Now I have to go read this already.

    796:

    (Bonus points if you spotted that we correctly used Judaic ... We iz not the Droidz ur looking for)

    797:

    Ah, but it does allow this:

    House of the Rising Sun YT, Music, Animals, 4:08

    Mirror, mirror on the world.

    That's a fucking Messianic Burn.

    798:

    Just read this article by Ron Rosenbaum Against Normalization: The Lesson of the "Munich Post"

    Inclues this tidbit: And in their biggest, most shamefully ignored scoop, on December 9, 1931, the paper found and published a Nazi party document planning a “final solution” for Munich’s Jews — the first Hitlerite use of the word “endlösung” in such a context. Was it a euphemism for extermination? Hitler dissembled, so many could ignore the grim possibility.

    799:

    Bonus points if you spotted that we correctly used Judaic Noticed, but you're rather aware of language, so [apparent] mistakes are more noticed. (Thanks again for the history posts. Seriously fun.)

    Science of the day: Theory of cortical function (David J. Heeger) (2017/02/06) (Not yet digested (work intrudes), but looks fun.) Includes a newish creativity hypothesis (bold mine): Neural responses evolve dynamically over time in my networks, in part because of noise-driven exploration, while implicitly encoding a posterior probability distribution. I hypothesize that this noise-driven process of exploration is the essence of creativity. (PNAS also has an author profile today: Profile of David Heeger)

    800:

    (Thanks again for the history posts. Seriously fun.)

    What he said. I really need to read up on my ancestral history—both sides. I hadn't put it together that Hadrian had an impact on each.

    And, just added the Himmelfarb book to my wishlist, it's apparently already available.

    801:

    In The Man in the High Tower, the Nazis are celebrating the completion of the complete depopulating of India.

    802:

    Oops, I meant Africa, though I imagine they would have done the same in India too.

    803:

    Looks as though you might need to make sure those social media accounts are ready to hand. Divulging usernames and passwords no longer optional:

    John Kelly, the new secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, testified that foreign travelers coming to the United States could be required to give up social media passwords to border officials as a condition of entry. "We want to say, for instance, which websites do you visit, and give us your passwords, so we can see what they do on the internet," he said at a Feb. 7 House Homeland Security hearing, his first congressional hearing since his Senate confirmation. "If they don't want to give us that information, they don't come in."

    Also, GitHub?

    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170208/14232036670/dhs-secretary-says-agency-is-planning-demanding-foreigners-social-media-account-passwords.shtml

    Original at this probably-broken link: https://fcw.com/articles/2017/02/07/kelly--dhs-social-media-border.aspx?m=1

    804:

    Looks as though you might need to make sure those social media accounts are ready to hand. Divulging usernames and passwords no longer optional

    They're not asking for passwords (at least not on the ESTA online travel application for visa-free entry that was asking for social media details ten months ago when I re-upped mine).

    (They might be asking for passwords on seized devices if you come to their attention on the way in, but the sheer volume of travelers suggests that's unlikely to be universal.)

    My guess is they're experimenting with data mining a la Cambridge Analytica to look for signs of radicalization among visa applicants. Which suggests any real bad actors with an IQ above room temperature in Celsius will simply establish "clean" twitter and facebook accounts, follow a bunch of anodyne public entertainers, and "like" the correct tweets/posts in order to look boring.

    Meanwhile the NSA already has that intel capability covered.

    My working assumption is that the Five Eyes are capable of having rooted all my electronics at the factory gate. The only mitigating aspect of this is that the first rule of an intelligence operation is that raw information goes in, but it must never be disclosed (to do so could compromise the operation). Only carefully sanitised, digested reports can be made available to vetted clients.

    My worry about ICE and CBP and DHS is that they're basically amateur rentacops in comparison with NSA, and some dipshit might very well use access to a database of phone passwords to go hog-wild with the travellers' credit cards that will also have been hoovered up along the way. Or to sell social media credentials and passwords to spammers or fraudsters for personal gain. Because data is easily copied and easily retained, and even NSA has problems preventing its analysts from engaging in LOVEINT and other protocol violations.

    805:

    No, or at least unlikely, because the Indians - certainly in the N ( Indo-Gangetic plain & upwards- not so sure about Kerala & southwards ) ... were "Aryans" according to their mad "rules" (!)

    806:

    Broken link, there, Charlie (!)

    Not that I EVER intend to go to the USSA, now, it could be amusing as I don't have any social media accounts other than Twitter, which works on this computer, but seems to be broken on my phone.

    DHS agent: "Phone passwords for social media?" GT: "Erm, err - here you are ( hands over phone) -see if you can make it go, it's been borked for over a year now & I can't get it to work"

    807:

    Naw. "Aryan" = "white" to those types. (At least the ones I've been unfortunate enough to meet.)

    808:

    Given what it sounds like things are now, that would count as obstruction and willful withholding of information and result in non-entry to the USA.

    809:
    The only mitigating aspect of this is that the first rule of an intelligence operation is that raw information goes in, but it must never be disclosed (to do so could compromise the operation). Only carefully sanitised, digested reports can be made available to vetted clients. My worry about ICE and CBP and DHS is that they're basically amateur rentacops in comparison with NSA

    Good news! At least one of those sets of rentacops now much expanded access to the raw take.

    810:

    "Every time a house goes off the grid, an oil rig dies." ROTFLMAO!!! I trust that no kittens were harmed in the creation of that post? mark

    --No, though the cat sleeping on my lap as I type this still resents the Horrible Shots she had to have earlier this week.

    Glad you enjoyed the phrase, feel free to use it as required.

    811:

    Do note I've no idea about the character of Ms Zimmelfarb - her name is not exactly auspicious, but her position would suggest she's a 'good egg'.

    However, do note the hidden dark irony / bitterness.

    The 'unmentioned' part of the first revolt is that part of the reason that an entire caste was wiped out harks back to Herod (and his purges of dissidents when Big-J was allegedly born) and the rather distasteful bit where a lot of the deaths were internecine. i.e. a mini-civil war kicked off during the Roman siege of Jerusalem. The 'zealots' (this term is very laden) and Sadducee's were killing each other while Rome watched: at one point someone even destroyed the grain stores, and it wasn't a Roman spy. Which in a siege is somewhat suicidal.

    Compare / Contrast with the third revolt, where it's much more a case of "us versus the Romans" in a Braveheart friendly film script.

    Just think a little about what that comes down to: American Christians LARPing Messianic love for a revolution that was, in many ways, a societal suicide (and not the noble one at the "last stand"). Which, if one were being truly cynical, is why Masada (AD74) gets the attention rather than the rather more impactful razing of Jerusalem (AD70-1).

    That's also why Sadducee's being replaced by Pharisee is an important break: rise of the rule of synagogue / Rabbis, rather than Temple Caste.

    ~

    But, of course, this isn't the Agreed Upon Narrative[tm] to preserve a Nation / People, so I expect some would see my words as hate.

    They're not, but so it goes.

    812:

    One might be tempted to make a mirror allusion backwards towards the USA over all that love for a revolt that was actually mostly about a civil war and what they're actually LARPing (and getting with the DeVos appointment and so forth).

    One might also be tempted to imagine that was the meaning all along. Be wery careful of Messianic Modal Thought Patterns.

    Who knows?

    No Romans anymore, or so it's said, but the Royal Gallery is watching. (The Stellar one, well: broken hearts can get mended).

    ~

    Subtle?

    Well, depends on your Eyes: from this vantage that was a very slow knife indeed.

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