mdive ... levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States ... Well, that's it, right there! The Confederacy levied war on the USA, didn't it? See also my comments about swastikas in Germany, above.
Moz Yes. I heard someone on the radio news ranting on about how the riot was infiltrated by left-wingers antifa & commies & it was all a sham - yes, really.
aldonius @ 1787 And ... will those "R" congresscritters who joined the rioters face any consequences - if not, why not?
BEWARE As noted ( Unholyguy @ 1785 ) IQ45 read an autoprompter speech: DJT has said there will be a peaceful transition to a new administration ... Did he mention Biden or the Democrats, at all? No. Be very careful.
12 days & counting.
]]>Paid attention to? Sure. Touch and fondle. Yep. Take some selfies with his hand over it? Of course.
But learning how to actually use it? No way. That's what minions are for.
]]>It might not be too difficult to distract him with the Grand Panjandrum aspect of the Presidency and signing fatwas. All he ever engaged with was the reality-TV-role bits, anyway, and he might never notice nobody really implementing his orders for another fortnight -- though a little fancy footwork might be required here or there to prevent him realising he's being nothinged to death, e.g., advise any civil servant he purported to fire to take a little time off and come back later.
]]>Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about what Biden might do unless it impacts him (Trump).
]]>I think it's more like: Trump is extremely popular with everyone I know, all the media say he won but somehow Biden claims to be president elect. Trump says there's fraud and the election was stolen, so that must be the explanation.
We also know that the left are violent thugs who will stop at nothing, while Trump supporters are loyal, law-abiding folk. If an entirely legitimate protest against the stolen election turns violent, clearly it was attacked by left-wing thugs. If some of the "Trump supporters" seem to be acting violent they must be aunty-fah provocateurs in disguise.
And so on. It's no harder to believe than any of the other nonsense they've been spouting for the last ... decades. It gets funny when they accuse people like the furry of being antifa, and the various comments that law enforcement were antifa quite honestly make me laugh... you know when someone gets so twisted up that they end up speaking the truth despite their intentions? This is one of those times. People, even cops, who are opposing anti-democratic thugs who claim to be carrying out a coup in favour of a corrupt businessman... yeah, actually, that's literally what antifascists do.
]]>But would they support him pardoning ANTIFA and BLM cop-killers?
There's possibly also technical problems issuing pardons to unknown people, even if he can do it for "any and all offenses". It might also backfire if it turns out there were crimes other than the already-known stealing of mail and hacking computers... what if it turns out that someone stole a whole bunch of stuff from a Trump-supporting Republican and that ends up in the media (because the rioters were not all smart, forward thinking sorts of people and might not go through every page thinking about the contents before giving it to a reporter/scanning and uploading it)
If nothing else there might be a conflict between "publish government secrets and die" and "pardon all the traitors".
]]>It's more than speech.
We need to encode in law, that if you want to retain your own human rights, including the right to speech, privacy and ultimately liberty, you have to respect, in speech and deed, that /everybody/ else has them too.
]]>There is a huge downside to a pardon. The SCOTUS has said that if you have a pardon you can't use the 5th or in general not talk when asked questions in a trial, deposition, or similar situation about whatever the pardon covers. So while you get immunity from whatever the pardon covers you must then talk if asked and go to jail if you don't talk.
]]>Please move the discussion there, thanks.
]]>Let me know so I can come and sell popcorn: the UK's speech laws are mostly terrible.
]]>And on that note, I'm closing the comments on this thread as it's way too cumbersome. Continue here.
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