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  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    There appears to be a bizarre assumption on both your and Godel's part that an AI wouldn't be able to understand that the statement "this statement is not true" is an amusing paradox with no truth value. Semantic meaning comes...
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    Two issues with this Godel track. First of all... http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/#GdeArgAgaMec The anti-mechanistic argument is not even close to being proven by his theorems. My guess is that just like Kurzweil doesn't like the thought of dying, there are a bunch...
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    Obviously if I knew the whole stack, I wouldn't be having this conversation with you... I'd be too busy building a strong AI. As a first pass, I'd want to include: Sound processing Sound fingerprinting Sound to language translation Natural...
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    Facial recognition itself does not somehow become a person. It is a weak AI in the stack of weak AIs that would have to be interacting with one another to emerge a person. The big question is how big of...
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    The computer has a mode for the relative 3D positions of face parts. Once I extablish that I can't see one of your eyes (because it is behind your face), I can rotate my face model so that it matches...
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    That's true, but since your motion is measured in 1/100ths of seconds you get to confirm the nose's existence 10,000 times per unit of motion. Things that move faster than that look to humans like they have teleported from point...
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    I only have to maintain a hash set of the qualities of your face to compare against a pretty short list. Moreover, with a 4GHz process attacking the problem, 1/1,000,000th of a second means I've got 4000 cycles on a...
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    Vision doesn't work by analyzing whole images all of the time. It works by collecting clues about what's in front of it and using those clues to drive environmental state assumptions. So for example, once I've established that there is...
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    About 1/1,000,000 of a second given that a human like monkeysphere only holds about 150 faces at a time. Meanwhile, you're probably waiting about 1/4 - 1/2 of a second for yours to kick in......
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    I suppose it depends on the extent to which we'd like to survive the rise of the machines. It took tens of thousands of years for us to develop a mental framework wherein we became more and more inclusive as...
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    A chess playing machine is a weak AI. It is a single purposes piece of intellect designed to solve a very specific problem. I think when all is said and done, we are going to find that a strong AI...
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    There are many drugs that I could use to become an amoral sociopathic murder bot. (Some combination of PCP and meth comes to mind) but I don't because I'm not currently a sociopathic murder bot and so would rather not...
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    Construction of a "monkeysphere sense" and an empathy sense should both fall under the weak AI problem space. If you get those built and plugged in, I don't think your AI will try to kill everyone right out of the...
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    You still seem to not be getting the difference between "a sensor goes off" which is a thing that can be logged or completely ignored versus "a sensor system has just dumped a hormone in my blood stream" which is...
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    There are a mixture of pleasure and pain involved in that process. There is anticipated pain at the prospect of not solving the problem. There is short term pain felt for a failure of your predictive faculties. There is pleasure...
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    The thing that would teach the AI that it was heading in the wrong direction is the same thing that teaches all of us that we're heading in the wrong direction... that being pain. Sometimes (just as it is for...
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    My background is in genetic engineering, software architecture and spending 3 years helping my wife study for a PhD in child developmental psychology. Just because a machine needs electricity in order to run, does not make that a mental "need"....
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    I'd like to point out that average Joe Plumber tends to stare blankly with utter lack of comprehension when Einstein Physicist is describing advanced physical concepts. From our perspective, there's a good chance that even 1.5xH looks like the world...
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    Two things... 1. Name one thing you've ever done on purpose that was not driven by your desire to please a pain center in your brain. 2. Name one human concept, invention or creation that is not the fusion of...
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    I was gonna go with "KILL ALL THE HUMANS", but yours are probably better ;) I'm actually assuming we'll try to work out something similar to the empathy system that's built into our heads and make it a deletable offense...
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    We're using a number simply to abstract away the aspects so we can carry on a conversation. We already have AI's that do a better job than humans at telling if the emotion you're showing on your face is genuine...
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    BTW, I don't think that the AI's accelerate to infinity x H. I simply think that once they achieve some value greater than 100xH, we're no longer able to play the game. We will have hit an event horizon in...
  • Commented on Why AIs Won't Ascend in the Blink of an Eye - Some Math
    Consider the possibility that it might be X^0.5 Just a few genetic mistakes resulted in the difference between a chimp's brain and your own brain. How much faster was that leap than the leap from a mouse brain to a...
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    One more thing on the notion of "human level" AI. If your AI doesn't poop it's pants occasionally and sometimes run off to join a Scientology based cult or start hoarding cats, you haven't built a human level AI yet....
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    If I shut down your hunger sensors, you might intellectually know that you should put food in your mouth, but given the discomfort of abdominal distention and no opposing pleasure from having your hunger sated, you would in all likelihood...
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    I don't think I'm the Oren you might think I am but I'm delighted to be speaking to you nonetheless :) The path that I’m expecting to work would involve starting from a "base needs" satisfying engine and then evolving...
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    Not to wreck the illusion of being a "real" person, but the emergent "you" that you think of as your personality is discontinuous when you sleep and when you go under anesthesia. If we flipped the switch during one of...
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    Greg @24: I believe that intelligence is a cross product of (senses/involuntary needs) x (capabilities) x (layers of abstraction). I believe that a large part of the reason that you've bothered to learn any of the things you've learned in...
  • Commented on The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears
    I think that success will come in the form of Minsky’s emotion machine (and by extension Goertzel’s work) before any of the other methods. In the end I think that we’ll discover that self modifying conceptual engines forcefully separated into...
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