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Dave_the_Proc

  • Commented on That sinking feeling
    Frankly, you’re now being both condescending and disingenuous, while cherry-picking bits out of the middle of my replies to manufacture arguments about. I shall draw a line under my responses....
  • Commented on That sinking feeling
    I would say predictable, but not inevitable (at the time). However, since I continue to live here, it should be clear that I choose to believe in hope in the face of all else....
  • Commented on That sinking feeling
    In case anyone is still reading this rarified conversation, this article is more detailed and eloquent than I have managed so far, regarding NI and the state of the Good Friday Agreement: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/08/01/playing-with-fire-brexit-and-the-decay-of-the-good-friday-agreement/...
  • Commented on That sinking feeling
    Nor is implementing an "Irish Sea border" even as simple as just kicking a different set of hard-liners in the teeth; this will also disrupt trade, travel, and business (less direct impact on communities, as they tend not to straddle...
  • Commented on That sinking feeling
    As an additional thought: I haven't actually seen many people discussing "violation of the GFA" as some kind of slam-dunk way of stopping Brexit. Any time it comes up is in much the same context Charlie used it here, as...
  • Commented on That sinking feeling
    Again, I'm not sure if you're still missing my larger point, or truly (and incorrectly) don't think it matters (note, this is different to "it shouldn't matter", because that's just "if only" expressed differently, and therefore not relevant): Whether a...
  • Commented on That sinking feeling
    It's complicated (but you know that already). And you got my underlying point about perception versus reality; which is why I decided that continuing a pedantic debate about the minutiae of the letter of the GFA wasn't particularly constructive....
  • Commented on That sinking feeling
    1) You seem to have missed the bit where I agreed with you about a hard border not being a violation of the Agreement. 2) You also seem to have missed the larger point I was making (or believe that...
  • Commented on That sinking feeling
    I would also add that we're talking pretty much in pure political terms of impact for a hard border. We can make educated guesses about that based on the text of GFA, and we can make some grim informed predictions...
  • Commented on That sinking feeling
    So being of poor memory and personally much effected by the Good Friday Agreement, I went back and re-read the whole thing (I used the text here: https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/IE%20GB_980410_Northern%20Ireland%20Agreement.pdf) In strict terms, you are correct: There is no item or text...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    A chilling opinion piece from the Irish Times a few weeks ago (may already have been posted here-a-bouts): Fintan O’Toole: Trial runs for fascism are in full flow...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    I've given up all but the most cursory attempt to model the thinking of the Brexiteer Bunch, and am even struggling to just process what is going on. I was at a marvellous open air gig in Dublin at the...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    the Universe has a much better sense of humor / irony than it lets on Yep....
  • Commented on The Pivot
    @EC: And if you really want to wallow in despair, take a look at how the rest of Europe views the latest Brexit/Tory developments. The chance of any proposal by T May being taken seriously or as a genuine offer...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    closing their eyes to it, and hoping that Ireland will simply go away Yep. This includes the DUP and the idiots who support their Brexit stance. I suspect that most of the Brexidiocy with regards to Ireland comes from two...
  • Commented on Holding Pattern
    Look after yourself, Charlie. May your deity/anthropomorphic personification/cat of choice go with you!...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    (I note that Mr Shipley has apparently given up on trying to prove that while X equals Y, Y most definitely does not equal X, and never quite got round to posting his most excellent explanation of why Brexit is...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    The Irish are (mostly) viewing Brexit with a mixture of bafflement, schadenfreude, and terror. Imagine watching the neighbour that has harassed you for years slowly go insane ......
  • Commented on The Pivot
    1. Yes, he does. However I have never once called him anti-immigrant, I have called him a “fellow traveller”, meaning that he has knowingly supported and furthered a cause that provides cover, encouragement, and a thin veneer of acceptability to...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    I’m waaaaay to brain fried right now to even try to untangle any hints or pointers: Have you mentioned Amesbury recently?...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    I am going to provide as much hand-holding as I am willing to, but I am suspicious that despite a clear thread of posts you are asking for clarification and misattributing my questions, so only the once: 1. The post...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    So, let’s see: 1. Arguing that if everyone does it it is ok. (Some strong moral foundations you got there. Mate.) 2. Resorting to the awesome rhetorical technique of: “I know you are, but what am I?” (For what it’s...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    Also at least one appearance by Nigel Lawson. That looks good now, doesn't it? Majority of talking head time in the first 20 minutes seems to have been; Delingpole, Farage, and MacKenzie. What a toxic mix. I pity the fools...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    However, it is mendacious misleading bollocks. So yes, "good outcome" on lying to a wide audience with conviction. Also: You have claimed not to be a fellow traveller with hard right and neo-Nazi types with a strong anti-immigration agenda, are...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    Have you tried watching Brexit: The Movie? My estimations of our new associate are plummeting by the minute (second?). It's pretty naff propaganda with decent production values (musical cues are terribly overwrought, though). Talking heads that have popped up so...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    That Vote Leave moral high ground is starting to look very shaky: Vote Leave broke electoral law, Electoral Commission expected to say (And how could I have forgotten that Vote Leave were behind the Big Red Bus of Mendacity?)...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    *snort* Real Leave and Continuity Leave waiting in the wings ......
  • Commented on The Pivot
    Her posts have been unusually information dense in this thread (yes, plenty of the usual “noise” too, but less than average)....
  • Commented on The Pivot
    From @948: I also don't see a vote / campaigning for Brexit as "supporting" a Neo-Nazi / hard-right cause (although I would agree that those groups were likely all in favour of Leave I think the evidence is that they...
  • Commented on The Pivot
    Just to be clear: I hate Brexit with a passion. I want it to die in a fire. It is going to totally fuck up the place I call home, and possibly get innocent people killed. It is a stupid...
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